Opinion based authentication process...good or bad

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Re: Opinion based authentication process...good or bad

trsent

I don't necessarily agree with you that a video won't mean anything. From a point of proving that these companies are not experts it will mean a ton.

[sportsnbikes]

Re: Opinion based authentication process...good or bad

I agree Solar.

The thing is that the autograph Trout signed doesn't look any different than that of the ones I see from paid signings. The Miguel C isn't his bigger M type signature but it looks real good. When I got home, I'll post pics and you all can judge the autographs and tell me what you think.

[solarlottry]

Re: Opinion based authentication process...good or bad

trsent-I understand your point about how items that have "non standard" autographs can and are rejected by PSA/DNA or JSA. Autographs obtained under a variety of circumstances can and do have different characteristics than those obtained in ideal conditions such as a card show or private signing.

One would think though that it is the responsibility of PSA/DNA or JSA to obtain examples of players autographs obtained under ALL circumstances. How hard would it be to obtain samples of a certain players signature at a card show, private signing, at the ball park and walking down the street? PSA and JSA are supposed experts and an expert to me is someone who is able to determine when something is genuine under multiple sets of circumstances and not just under ideal settings. That is like saying that a doctor does a good job when things go perfectly but if the situation changes then there is no need for adaptation because things have differed from the norm.

PSA is paid to evaluate autographs and one would think that they have enough experience to differentiate between ball park, card show and private signing signatures. Isn't an expert supposed to do that and thus determine authentic from junk? I am sure there are more than enough examples of every kind of signature from the superstars mention in the post to determine authenticity.

Paul

Always buying 49er game used items andnpayingna finders fee.

garciajones@yahoo.com

[trsent]

Re: Opinion based authentication process...good or bad

I'm sure there have been posts on this before but I wanted to ask everyone if they know how the authentication works.

Who is hired to do this job? How are they trained and what makes them an expert? How good of a service are we getting for our money? How many "experts" can there possibly be with the amount of items that are sent in?

These are all questions that I ask myself when I see an item authenticated by a company like JSA, PSA and etc.

I haven't had a ton of things authenticated but I had 2 autographs that I had signed in person at Kauffman Stadium, a Trout 2012 AS jersey and a Miguel Cabrera 2012 AS bat, that weren't able to be authenticated by the companies they were sent to. JSA denied the jersey and PSA denied the bat. I got them IN PERSON. I was surprised they were denied, to say the least.

This summer, I plan to do an experiment by filming a player sign a ball and then have a box ready to go right there. I'm going to seal it up and mail it. I'll then film the opening of the return package. I want to document this process. I'll post a link to the video.

The thread linked to by "Smitty" is a joke of an estimate by a PSA/DNA customer with sour grapes and shouldn't be taken seriously since the figures are just numbers the guy pulled out of thin air and have not been confirmed by anyone but his speculation.

As for your autographs not passing 3rd party authentication, did you ever think if you get an autograph in person and the player rushes the signature and doesn't sign similarly to known exemplars that your autograph may look so different they cannot document it as genuine?

It is very common. When Mike Trout is sitting down, signings for a fee for a promoter it is often a different signature that you getting him walking down the street. PSA/DNA (who I trust and swear by) and JSA (who I believe is very inaccurate and unreliable) use samples of known authentic signatures and if you get a crappy signature on the street it is impossible for them to give a positive opinion of that signature comparing it to known examples.

You are not the first and won't be the last to have this issue. A video doesn't mean anything, as like I said, if your autograph doesn't match up with known examples of the players signature, it doesn't matter that you got it in person if the player doesn't sign like they have at say, paid autograph sessions in the past.

[xpress34]

Re: Opinion based authentication process...good or bad

At the risk of 'stirring the pot'. here's a link to an old thread where I broke down the numbers of PSA/DNA:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=50363&highlight=psa

There are many more if you search the forums.

I too have had items that I got signed in person turned down by these companies.

Good Luck!

- Smitty

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I'm sure there have been posts on this before but I wanted to ask everyone if they know how the authentication works.

Who is hired to do this job? How are they trained and what makes them an expert? How good of a service are we getting for our money? How many "experts" can there possibly be with the amount of items that are sent in?

These are all questions that I ask myself when I see an item authenticated by a company like JSA, PSA and etc.

I haven't had a ton of things authenticated but I had 2 autographs that I had signed in person at Kauffman Stadium, a Trout 2012 AS jersey and a Miguel Cabrera 2012 AS bat, that weren't able to be authenticated by the companies they were sent to. JSA denied the jersey and PSA denied the bat. I got them IN PERSON. I was surprised they were denied, to say the least.

This summer, I plan to do an experiment by filming a player sign a ball and then have a box ready to go right there. I'm going to seal it up and mail it. I'll then film the opening of the return package. I want to document this process. I'll post a link to the video.