Game Used Collecting Makes The Tabloids in Dispute over Kobe Bryant Items

[allstarsplus]

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Maybe an angle that hasn't been considered on these High School jerseys is that those were acquired while Kobe was a minor child under 18 years of age possibly and the parent's were the ones supporting Kobe and paying for all of his clothes, schooling etc.

I know I take my kids clothes and donate them and throw the ripped items away. I would think if the parents are paying for the clothes they have possibly a legal right to it.

[gingi79]

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The last post by KGoldin was modified by the Admin for "spacing". Is this website now a Goldin's Auction property? Let me know please.

[gingi79]

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The last post by KGoldin was modified by the Admin for "spacing". Is this website now a Goldin's Auction property? Let me know please.

Kobe's momma stole his stuff and tried to sell it. Ken did no wrong in my opinion. However had this been GF or MEARS, this story would have been much more inflammatory and posts by Troy or Rich would not have been modified (for potential drama) under arbitrary reasons.

Just saying, perceived biased treatment is.....

[marino13]

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-09/kobe-bryant-wins-order-blocking-mother-s-sale-of-memorabilia.html?cmpid=yhoo

[ChrisCavalier]

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Kobe's momma stole his stuff and tried to sell it. Ken did no wrong in my opinion. However had this been GF or MEARS, this story would have been much more inflammatory and posts by Troy or Rich would not have been modified (for potential drama) under arbitrary reasons.

Just saying, perceived biased treatment is.....

Dude, I edited the post because when Ken cut and pasted the statement from the attorney the spacing in the text ran together in some places and made it difficult to read.

I'm not sure of the purpose of your conspiracy theory but it is, of course, needless and without substance. It was not "modified (for potential drama) under arbitrary reasons."

Please don't make silly posts with no perceived intention but to try to stir up trouble.

Thanks,
Chris

[42itus]

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Dude, I edited the post because when Ken cut and pasted the statement from the attorney the spacing in the text ran together in some places and made it difficult to read.

I'm not sure of the purpose of your conspiracy theory but it is, of course, needless and without substance. It was not "modified (for potential drama) under arbitrary reasons."

Please don't make silly posts with no perceived intention but to try to stir up trouble.

Thanks,
Chris

Shoot, I thought this was gonna be entertaining before you shot it down. On a serious note... However this turns out for Goldin, I would imagine the press that they are receiving is immeasurable for this and future auctions. I would imagine Goldin Auctions is going to BANK on this auction with all the press on this case.

[42itus]

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Interesting how polarizing this case is. Everyone's got an opinion. I personally think Kobe is being a douche, but no doubt there are two sides to all stories. I'd be interested to see how the law defines ownership. Do I "own" my son's baseball trophies? Does my mom own all the stuff in the attic of her house? What about old stuff that an ex left behind?

[cohibasmoker]

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Just a couple of comments;

If the stuff was so sentimental to Kobe, why did his Mom have them?

I guess Kobe didn't have room in his mansion or the financial resources to store the items so his Mom had to pay for storage fees;

If Kobe asked his Mom for the items years ago and she didn't return them, Kobe sure had the time to bring a lawsuit against Goldin auction in a timely manner.

Finally, I am not sure where the item were stored but most States do have Statutes that refer to "abandoned" property.

Just some thoughts,

Jim

[plinvestments]

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Interesting how polarizing this case is. Everyone's got an opinion. I personally think Kobe is being a douche, but no doubt there are two sides to all stories. I'd be interested to see how the law defines ownership. Do I "own" my son's baseball trophies? Does my mom own all the stuff in the attic of her house? What about old stuff that an ex left behind?

Like mother like son. How could you sell your son's mementos and how could you sue your mother? They deserve each other.

[kellsox]

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Something tells me that in the end Kobe ends up getting his stuff. This is a little different than mom cleaning out the attic and selling baseball cards. These are one of a kind items that are well documented as being owned by Kobe.

[Takuleechch]

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he's going to get everything back for sure
he has been a source of money for them for years so do we really think she would risk Abby other future help from Kobe and never seeing her grandkids over some clothes? no way.
she'll give Goldin the money back and kobe his stuff - which she should

[Jags Fan Dan]

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Like mother like son. How could you sell your son's mementos and how could you sue your mother? They deserve each other.

Man, that is well said!

[jbcindc]

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However this turns out for Goldin, I would imagine the press that they are receiving is immeasurable for this and future auctions. I would imagine Goldin Auctions is going to BANK on this auction with all the press on this case.

I think it's a mistake to think that "all press is good press" and that this dispute over ownership of Kobe's memorabilia will somehow result in a windfall for Goldin Auctions. The fact that Goldin Auctions had been forced to take legal action against the athlete whose memorabilia it seeks to sell must be a nightmare scenario for the auction house. If Kobe prevails, which is very possible, the auction of his memorabilia is halted, Kobe's property is returned and approximately 900 pieces of memorabilia are removed from Goldin's second major auction.

Goldin Auctions obviously projected significant revenue from the sale of the memorabilia as evidenced by the reported advance of $450K to Pamela Bryant. That projected revenue not only disappears, severely impacting cash flow, but the auction house is left without the centerpiece of its highly publicized auction. Recovery of the $450K is also problematic since it has been reported that Pamela Bryant has already used at least a portion of those funds to purchase a house in Nevada. It's likely that Goldin Auctions would be forced to sue Pamela Bryant for the $450K and costs related to advertising, printing, legal fees, and other related damages. I can only imagine the internal discussions at Goldin Auctions about their due diligence process.

Even if Goldin prevails and is permitted to sell the memorabilia, it can't be considered a "win." What auction house wants to have the headlines read "Auction house wins right to sell NBA superstar's memorabilia against his will"? This has to be a nightmare for a new auction house and is press/media attention it most definitely did not want.

I enjoyed participating in Goldin's most recent auction and regret that this issue of property ownership has dominated the headlines prior to its upcoming auction. This mess is not one created by Goldin Auctions, but they're firmly in the middle of a significant family dispute with tremendous financial exposure in the balance. Good luck, Ken.

[KGoldin]

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I will correct 1 misstatement that has been perpetuated in the press.
there are not 900 items in the auction consigned by Pamela Bryant.
there are 900 items in the auction NOT consigned by Pamela Bryant, that have NOTHING to do with Kobe.
the $1.5 million figure is regarding the 900 other items, it has nothing to do with the Pamela Bryant product.
The press is unable to properly read filings and court documents. We have over 1000 items in the auction scheduled for June NOT INCLUDING a single item consigned by Pamela Bryant.
I urge each of you to sit tight, don't speculate. I certainly wouldn't speculate on anything with regards to a 'financial impact' because I own the company and none of you are privy to my personal finances, although there are a few on this forum who may have a decent idea. There are two hearings next week, 1 Monday in CA and Tuesday in NJ. There is a lot of news that will come out within the next 2-3 business days. Anyone speculating here based on what they read in the press is going to look foolish, and you cant erase what you write on this forum..there is no delete message option.
I will not reply to future messages or questions, and will talk when the matter is settled. However, I did want to stop the misinformation that was caused by 1 reporters failure to understand a court filing, and 1000s of other articles just copying her words. Pamela Bryant does NOT have '900 other items valued at over $1.5 million' GOLDIN AUCTIONS DOES. Just goes to show you, even though you see it in print, 5000 times, doesn't mean its correct

I think it's a mistake to think that "all press is good press" and that this dispute over ownership of Kobe's memorabilia will somehow result in a windfall for Goldin Auctions. The fact that Goldin Auctions had been forced to take legal action against the athlete whose memorabilia it seeks to sell must be a nightmare scenario for the auction house. If Kobe prevails, which is very possible, the auction of his memorabilia is halted, Kobe's property is returned and approximately 900 pieces of memorabilia are removed from Goldin's second major auction.

Goldin Auctions obviously projected significant revenue from the sale of the memorabilia as evidenced by the reported advance of $450K to Pamela Bryant. That projected revenue not only disappears, severely impacting cash flow, but the auction house is left without the centerpiece of its highly publicized auction. Recovery of the $450K is also problematic since it has been reported that Pamela Bryant has already used at least a portion of those funds to purchase a house in Nevada. It's likely that Goldin Auctions would be forced to sue Pamela Bryant for the $450K and costs related to advertising, printing, legal fees, and other related damages. I can only imagine the internal discussions at Goldin Auctions about their due diligence process.

Even if Goldin prevails and is permitted to sell the memorabilia, it can't be considered a "win." What auction house wants to have the headlines read "Auction house wins right to sell NBA superstar's memorabilia against his will"? This has to be a nightmare for a new auction house and is press/media attention it most definitely did not want.

I enjoyed participating in Goldin's most recent auction and regret that this issue of property ownership has dominated the headlines prior to its upcoming auction. This mess is not one created by Goldin Auctions, but they're firmly in the middle of a significant family dispute with tremendous financial exposure in the balance. Good luck, Ken.

[jbcindc]

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I will correct 1 misstatement that has been perpetuated in the press.
there are not 900 items in the auction consigned by Pamela Bryant.
there are 900 items in the auction NOT consigned by Pamela Bryant, that have NOTHING to do with Kobe.
the $1.5 million figure is regarding the 900 other items, it has nothing to do with the Pamela Bryant product.
The press is unable to properly read filings and court documents. We have over 1000 items in the auction scheduled for June NOT INCLUDING a single item consigned by Pamela Bryant.
I urge each of you to sit tight, don't speculate. I certainly wouldn't speculate on anything with regards to a 'financial impact' because I own the company and none of you are privy to my personal finances, although there are a few on this forum who may have a decent idea. There are two hearings next week, 1 Monday in CA and Tuesday in NJ. There is a lot of news that will come out within the next 2-3 business days. Anyone speculating here based on what they read in the press is going to look foolish, and you cant erase what you write on this forum..there is no delete message option.
I will not reply to future messages or questions, and will talk when the matter is settled. However, I did want to stop the misinformation that was caused by 1 reporters failure to understand a court filing, and 1000s of other articles just copying her words. Pamela Bryant does NOT have '900 other items valued at over $1.5 million' GOLDIN AUCTIONS DOES. Just goes to show you, even though you see it in print, 5000 times, doesn't mean its correct

Ken,

My post was not meant to antagonize but is a reality of the situation as the situation has been presented. I used words such as "reported" in several instances throughout my post to try to account for media reporting errors.

I think in this matter there is the potential for many people to look foolish, not the least of which is yourself.

I'll refrain from making any other comments because printed words fail to convey tone and intent and, as you pointed out, there is no delete button. I think the vast majority of collectors would like to see the matter resolved whichever way it goes so that we can proceed with your auction. For those of us that have an interest in our legal process, this Kobe auction presents a very interesting case which prompts discussion and speculation. There's nothing wrong with that but I can see how you might view it as disparaging to you. None of what I've written is a personal attack on you. My theme throughout my post was that this must be a nightmare situation for Goldin Auctions. I still believe that.

I think one point on which we could possibly all agree is that this is a mess that is not of your own creation but in which you're stuck in the middle. There are probably things you would do differently going forward to avoid such problems in the future. I don't feel that you need to come back on the Forum to explain the matter in the future, but that's up to you.

I wish you the best in resolving the issue and putting it to rest so that you can return to building a successful business that, by all reports, has gotten off to a fantastic start notwithstanding the Kobe Bryant collection.