NFL Hard Knocks 2013 - Recycling of Cincinnati Bengals game jerseys.

[Anabolicollege17]

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Abstract Nike also sent out patches to teams and said here sew this over reebok logos, starter logos, and other logos. I don't think they really cared what the materials were. As long as there logo was front and center on each sleeve they were happy. The present nike actually cares about player performance. You ask any player nike or reebok 100% will say nike. They are 10 times lighter (for those of you who own new nike pants compared to reebok you hold both in each hand and tell me if you feel a difference, also try on both pairs and tell us which is better) Nike didn't make these jerseys with collectors in mind. They made them for the lightest, tightest (while maintaining comfort, and keeping defenders from grabbing a hold) and durable. If you don't like collecting new nike jerseys than its simple don't do it. I myself will only collect new Nike jerseys from this point on. The more rips and repairs the better for me. I hated that reebok mesh, and esp that dazzle everywhere. Theres a reason the Eagles and panthers are the only team that kept dazzle shoulders, its because they match there dazzle helmets very well.

[abstractheory]

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Abstract Nike also sent out patches to teams and said here sew this over reebok logos, starter logos, and other logos. I don't think they really cared what the materials were. As long as there logo was front and center on each sleeve they were happy. The present nike actually cares about player performance. You ask any player nike or reebok 100% will say nike. They are 10 times lighter (for those of you who own new nike pants compared to reebok you hold both in each hand and tell me if you feel a difference, also try on both pairs and tell us which is better) Nike didn't make these jerseys with collectors in mind. They made them for the lightest, tightest (while maintaining comfort, and keeping defenders from grabbing a hold) and durable. If you don't like collecting new nike jerseys than its simple don't do it. I myself will only collect new Nike jerseys from this point on. The more rips and repairs the better for me. I hated that reebok mesh, and esp that dazzle everywhere. Theres a reason the Eagles and panthers are the only team that kept dazzle shoulders, its because they match there dazzle helmets very well.

Dude, I don't even know why I care, but your silly replies keep compelling me to respond. So, this is the last I will say on the topic:

I collect game used equipment... Nike, Reebok, Rawling, Riddell, etc.... I told you that I own all of it and will continue to collect it no matter WHO makes it as long as it fits into my collection. Your constant love affair with the Nike brand is just weird and it's like you're some kind of Nike fanboy. You can't like Nike and Reebok products at the same time? just weird.

My point is, your posts come across as facts instead of opinion based...Like, "Only 15 Nike jerseys have ever appeared on ebay thus far", and, "The quailty is hands down better", or "The Nike jerseys will forever be hard to find because JO is no longer a major player" or "100% of the players prefer Nike jerseys", or "So and so is buying up all the NFL Nike jerseys on the NFL auctions, so he's a sports card owner" (he isn't by the way). You must have some great contacts to know all of this stuff as fact.

You state and post as facts, and then when called out, you say they are just opinions. That's all I'm saying.

Finally, who actually wears game used pants around the house to compare quality? These are the statements that keep drawing me in to respond to your posts.

Sounds like you are a brand name collector more than a game used collector.

[scottishcowboy41]

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The worst part was they didn't even use seam rippers, just a straight edge razor blade. "Oh, you want a game worn jersey from this player? Riiiiip" "Who?"


Some of us collect guys who aren't wearing #15. Many of us know some guy who signed on as an undrafted rookie, random 3 year player, etc. I happen to like Maybin but his Preseason jerseys don't exist now. The name on his Bengals jersey was removed quicker that the stubble next to my goatee

Gingi79 - This is the kind of compassionate response I thought I would evoke when I initially posted this thread. You get my point 100%. These are real NFL game jerseys of a football players with enough skill, talent and athletisim to nearly make an NFL roster! The players and the jerseys have been on a long and massively important journey and with 1 minutes work with a razor blade that story ended along with the desire for ownership for a collector.

Putting the economics and locisitics of whether teams should sell or recycle jerseys, as a collector myself, I thought this butchering of an NFL gamer sucked. Thanks Gingi79, I was beginning to think it was just me that felt that way.

[Mulligans]

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Oh and just for the record....I just sold 2 Nike Jerseys on eBay and still have 3 listed. My guess is that there are many more than you think.....I'm not even sure that everyone puts it in their listing?

[cohibasmoker]

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Do NFL teams have the exclusive right to sell a jersey with a players name on it? I think they can sell the jersey because they own the jersey but I'm not so sure they can sell a jersey, with a NOB without the player's permission.

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=f61c4a02-8b21-4693-a1b6-0904d19e3f58

Wasn't the idea behind a nameplate developed so a nameplate can be either added or removed from a jersey and the jersey reused? Back in the early 1970's, the Eagles had a whole bin full of nameplates that had been removed from jerseys.

Just some thoughts

Jim

[Anabolicollege17]

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Dude, I don't even know why I care, but your silly replies keep compelling me to respond. So, this is the last I will say on the topic:

I collect game used equipment... Nike, Reebok, Rawling, Riddell, etc.... I told you that I own all of it and will continue to collect it no matter WHO makes it as long as it fits into my collection. Your constant love affair with the Nike brand is just weird and it's like you're some kind of Nike fanboy. You can't like Nike and Reebok products at the same time? just weird.

My point is, your posts come across as facts instead of opinion based...Like, "Only 15 Nike jerseys have ever appeared on ebay thus far", and, "The quailty is hands down better", or "The Nike jerseys will forever be hard to find because JO is no longer a major player" or "100% of the players prefer Nike jerseys", or "So and so is buying up all the NFL Nike jerseys on the NFL auctions, so he's a sports card owner" (he isn't by the way). You must have some great contacts to know all of this stuff as fact.

You state and post as facts, and then when called out, you say they are just opinions. That's all I'm saying.

Finally, who actually wears game used pants around the house to compare quality? These are the statements that keep drawing me in to respond to your posts.

Sounds like you are a brand name collector more than a game used collector.

silly comments? Its called a good old fashioned debate. Whats silly about it?

[JDubbs73]

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http://www.lexology.com/library/deta...6-0904d19e3f58

Interesting article, I had not seen that previously. Thanks.

[Mattapan03]

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One more comment I thought I would add. I once interned for an NFL team and along the way developed relationships with the equipment managers who now have gone onto other teams, colleges, etc, and the ones who I have spoken to ALL still prefer the Reebok jersey's over Nike.

[PAC]

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I think any 2013 Nike game used jersey would have some decent value because of the recent move from Reebok. I don't see any 2012 or 2013 Nike gamers anywhere for sale for next to nothing.

Hopefully supply catches up with demand soon.

I want a new 2012 or 2013 Panthers team issued or game used...but the cheapest I've seen is a Gary Barnidge for $900 lol.

[commando]

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All points are well-taken and respected.

I love dealing with football jerseys from the 1970s and 80s. When you find one of these shirts, there MIGHT be a 50/50 chance that an original team-issued nameplate is on the back. And even if one is, when you inspect closer there's another chance that you'll find that more than one nameplate had been sewn on during the jersey's lifetime.

One of the odder examples I've seen was a jersey a forum member owned. If I remember correctly it was a Baltimore Colts jersey with mid-1970s Sand Knit tagging, and it had a nameplate of a guy who played for the team in the mid-1980s! You have to wonder how many different players wore the shirt over the years, or if just one other player did, which one was he?

To be honest, I thought the era of recycling jerseys was just about gone. But now it seems that teams cannot move the common stuff for a profit, so they do indeed recycle common jerseys that show little or no use.

One final note... It appears that the numbers just aren't working with the companies who try to do large team buys. Obviously many teams are getting either no offers at all, or offers that are too low to accept so they recycle the commons. All that glitters ain't gold anymore.

[skinsfan0521]

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First, I was thinking the same thing when I watched that episode... "Nooo... don't they know they can sell those??!!"

But, the more I thought about it (and read this thread), it probably doesn't make financial sense. They must be paying $100-$100 each for these jerseys, right? So, then to sell some common guy who wasn't even good enough to make the team for $75 doesn't make sense. They could just re-issue those jerseys to the guys who aren't going to make the team next year and save themselves thousands of $ overall.

Second, to follow up on several comments (including commando's most recent one), it does seem odd that every team doesn't have an "official memorabilia retailer" for their stuff. Just a few short years ago, it seemed that every team was available. Now, I'm looking for NY Giants (Chris Snee) stuff for the past couple years and there is absolutely nothing out there. It must be because of the lack of profitability. I mean, when you look at Meigray's prices for Redskins jerseys it's just crazy. They're asking no less than $750 for game used jerseys. Some of these guys wouldn't sell for $150 on ebay, but they're asking $750 presumably because they need to in order to make a profit. Why else would you just let inventory sit on your shelves for super inflated prices unless you were going to lose $ on anything less?

With all that being said, when I asked Snee if I would be able to get a jersey from him last year he said that I wouldn't be able to. This year he said maybe, but I'll have to wait until the end of the year to see. These are not the same responses that he's had before when the Giants were openly selling their stuff through their own website or other channels.

Also, you'd think that if it were possible to squeeze a $ out of selling anything, Jerry Jones would have found a way. Yet, even the Cowboys-Steiner relationship has dissolved and nobody knows where to find Cowboys gamers anymore.

At the same time that all of this is going on, there are jerseys going for record prices and Panini has locked up the Broncos and selling Manning jerseys for like $20k each.

There must be a lot more to the economics of it than us outsiders are aware of.

[ivo610]

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First, I was thinking the same thing when I watched that episode... "Nooo... don't they know they can sell those??!!"

But, the more I thought about it (and read this thread), it probably doesn't make financial sense. They must be paying $100-$100 each for these jerseys, right? So, then to sell some common guy who wasn't even good enough to make the team for $75 doesn't make sense. They could just re-issue those jerseys to the guys who aren't going to make the team next year and save themselves thousands of $ overall.

Second, to follow up on several comments (including commando's most recent one), it does seem odd that every team doesn't have an "official memorabilia retailer" for their stuff. Just a few short years ago, it seemed that every team was available. Now, I'm looking for NY Giants (Chris Snee) stuff for the past couple years and there is absolutely nothing out there. It must be because of the lack of profitability. I mean, when you look at Meigray's prices for Redskins jerseys it's just crazy. They're asking no less than $750 for game used jerseys. Some of these guys wouldn't sell for $150 on ebay, but they're asking $750 presumably because they need to in order to make a profit. Why else would you just let inventory sit on your shelves for super inflated prices unless you were going to lose $ on anything less?

With all that being said, when I asked Snee if I would be able to get a jersey from him last year he said that I wouldn't be able to. This year he said maybe, but I'll have to wait until the end of the year to see. These are not the same responses that he's had before when the Giants were openly selling their stuff through their own website or other channels.

Also, you'd think that if it were possible to squeeze a $ out of selling anything, Jerry Jones would have found a way. Yet, even the Cowboys-Steiner relationship has dissolved and nobody knows where to find Cowboys gamers anymore.

At the same time that all of this is going on, there are jerseys going for record prices and Panini has locked up the Broncos and selling Manning jerseys for like $20k each.

There must be a lot more to the economics of it than us outsiders are aware of.

Its no secret, teams want bulk buys. But it doesnt work, Meigray/steiner/JO has to charge high prices for everyone for make it worth their while. Teams are also hesitant because they dont want their name attached to a company like JO when it hits the news that they committed fraud.

The best deal for collectors is for companies to strike individual deals with players.

The best deal for teams is selling game jerseys themselves. But even that comes with its own, very real, headaches.

[ivo610]

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Do NFL teams have the exclusive right to sell a jersey with a players name on it? I think they can sell the jersey because they own the jersey but I'm not so sure they can sell a jersey, with a NOB without the player's permission.

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=f61c4a02-8b21-4693-a1b6-0904d19e3f58

Wasn't the idea behind a nameplate developed so a nameplate can be either added or removed from a jersey and the jersey reused? Back in the early 1970's, the Eagles had a whole bin full of nameplates that had been removed from jerseys.

Just some thoughts

Jim

My understanding is that its the teams property. Once you reach superstar status the team isnt going to battle you on what you want to do with stuff like that. Also most teams offer jerseys and or helmets to the players at the end of the season. Players keep their pro bowl jerseys.

[commando]

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You guys are right, and we've discussed it many time here before. How often do you see jerseys for sale by the teams themselves that are described as "game issued" but show a ton of wear? And sometimes one will be described as "game worn" and be crisp like it was manufactured 20 minutes ago? It is a huge headache for teams to try and keep track of all their jerseys, and the use each jersey may have seen. Team employees have better things to do... things that are directly related to the operation of the team.

Maybe one day teams will place some kind of scannable tag on their game jerseys, and the ones hanging in the players lockers before the game will all get scanned. The jerseys will be electronically logged into a database as being worn by the players on that date.

[Mattapan03]

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I think its comical to see jersey's that JO tried to move for $1,000 not even get a whiff for $150 now. Similarly, I chuckle when I see folks listing jersey's of relatively common players on ebay and asking over $500. Their auctions just sit there and rot.