Baseball HOF 2014

[Hoosier39]

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One more thing about Ivan Rodriguez I remember is when asked if he a was on the list of 100 he said "Only God knows".

Pudge is one of the greatest all around catchers ever. If you are going to bring up the suspicion card, then I'm guessing you wouldn't vote for Piazza, Bagwell, and Biggio either?

[Roady]

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Pudge is one of the greatest all around catchers ever. If you are going to bring up the suspicion card, then I'm guessing you wouldn't vote for Piazza, Bagwell, and Biggio either?

I never said I would or wouldn't vote for him. I never said if he should be or shouldn't be in the HOF one day. Pure conjecture on your part.

Your post is a perfect example of what I asked about. You are defensive about him. Why?

The post's about Piazza is why I was asking why everyone seems to ignore the questions about Rodriguez.
They question many with much less suspension than he has surrounding him so it seems very odd. Piazza is constantly brought up when talking about PED's.
I believe it has a lot to do with the money many have spent on his merchandise and not wanting to see that investment take a hit. Just my opinion.
I have no idea if you have any of his stuff so I don't know what your defensive about.
Besides being one of the greatest all around catchers ever as you put it, why can't we discuss his possible PED use without people getting upset?

[Roady]

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I didn't mean to take the conversation away from the original intent.

Maybe we can revisit this when Rodriguez is due to be voted on.

Please carry on.

And Hoosier39 you can reply if you like to my last post but I will not post about Rodriguez in this thread again.

[sportsnbikes]

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There are so many arguments and reasons why the players who are suspected SHOULD be included.

Looking back at history, how many "cheaters", proven or otherwise are in the Hall. A few that come to mind are Perry, Ford, Cobb, McGraw and Greenburg. Even Mantle was known to get an infection in 1961 after receiving a steroid injection.

Tom House admits widespread use of steroids in the 60's & 70's. Here is the article. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ds-house_x.htm

Many players have also admitted to using amphetamines or "Red Juice" including Mike Schmidt. Here is an article addressing that.

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Amphetamines-in-Baseball-Blog-19359

I don't see how any of these supplements is any different than steroids in the mid 90's up until testing and when it was made illegal in baseball. They were all illegal by law but not necessarily in the sport. Cepada is in and he got in AFTER getting popped for cocaine. Cocaine use was also rampant when it was the popular drug in the mid 70's and 80's. I think it's still used by several players and know of a few players who used it in the last several years. Known cheaters in ways other than steroids are in the hall i.e. Perry. Cheating is cheating. If you let someone in for one thing, you have to let them all in, regardlesss of how they cheated.

Were Clemens and many of the others ever proven to have used any substance? Many players have been deemed guilty by association. That is completely unfair. In the past, players with 3000 hits were automatic. Biggio still isn't in and that's pretty silly. He wasn't popping 40 or 50 HR's a year.

I say let em in!!!

[Hoosier39]

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Wow. Not being defensive. You brought up Rodriguez and suspicion so I gave my opinion. The 3 names that I mentioned(I actually forgot Sheffield) have all had the same suspicion in some levels, just curious why you pointed out Rodriguez. It seemed like you aren't very high on Pudge, perhaps to even vote for him, so I asked you if you would vote for the others.

No problem. Didn't realize my post was going to upset you.

[EricTheRed44]

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I dont agree with letting proven roiders in. But if we're opening the door for people who cheated, then you have to let Pete Rose in first. I'm the first to say what he did was idiotic and wrong, but if you allow people in who's numbers were improved by roids then you have to let Pete in (with his possibly corked bat).

If someone like Bonds gets in before Pete its a joke.

[sportsnbikes]

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I dont agree with letting proven roiders in. But if we're opening the door for people who cheated, then you have to let Pete Rose in first. I'm the first to say what he did was idiotic and wrong, but if you allow people in who's numbers were improved by roids then you have to let Pete in (with his possibly corked bat).

If someone like Bonds gets in before Pete its a joke.

I agree Rose should be in. Pretty silly he isn't already. After all, he was betting as a manager. He wasn't going to be in the Hall as a manager. His player numbers gets him in and as far as it is known, he wasn't betting as a player.

[Roady]

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Wow. Not being defensive. You brought up Rodriguez and suspicion so I gave my opinion. The 3 names that I mentioned(I actually forgot Sheffield) have all had the same suspicion in some levels, just curious why you pointed out Rodriguez. It seemed like you aren't very high on Pudge, perhaps to even vote for him, so I asked you if you would vote for the others.

No problem. Didn't realize my post was going to upset you.

Not upset.

[plinvestments]

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Jeff Kent deserves to get in but it won't happen this year. I just hope he gets enough votes to stay on the ballot and that goes for Mussina too.

[3arod13]

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I believe 7 of the 104 who tested positive in 2003 are known. So it will always be on my mind, who are the other 97 that tested positive? Will any of those 97 get into the HOF?

For me, there are those players who used and weren't going to become HOF players. And there are those who used and were going to become HOF players.

Do I believe using helped. Yes! Brady Anderson proved that.

Cheating in baseball to get an edge has been going on for years and years, in many different ways. Anytime you do something that gives you an unfair edge against another player/team, is cheating.

This discussion will go on forever!

[gorilla777]

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The announcement will be at 11am PST, so we shall see. It would make perfect sense if they voted in Maddux, Thomas, Glavine, Morris and Biggio. But that might be too many for many of these sports writers and their heads will spontaneously combust....

Ben

[3arod13]

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The announcement will be at 11am PST, so we shall see. It would make perfect sense if they voted in Maddux, Thomas, Glavine, Morris and Biggio. But that might be too many for many of these sports writers and their heads will spontaneously combust....

Ben

Still bugs me that there are 97 of the 104 out there who tested positive in 2003, and we will never know who they are, and they could easily get into the HOF.

What a mess!

[gorilla777]

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This is a good article by Jayson Stark at ESPN discussing the voting issues:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10253089/jayson-stark-2014-mlb-hall-fame-ballot

[swainer]

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I think it is a shame that no player from the 84 Tigers is in the HOF. I hope Morris changes that. I'm probably biased but I think Parrish, Tram and Sweet Lou should be in as well.

Peace!

John

[godwulf]

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I don't know how long it's been since they voted in three players in a year, but I know they haven't voted in four players since the '50s.

I think Maddux is a lock, and one other - either Glavine, Biggio or Thomas. My preference would be for Biggio. The other two are deserving, but all things considered, I don't believe that more than two will be selected at a time. Maybe they should - I just don't think they will.

If I were the Commissioner of Baseball, my first official act would be to reverse the call that kept Armando Galarraga from his Perfecto. My second would be to clear the way for Pete Rose to do or be anything in Baseball he wanted. My third would be to inform the HOF that the day Barry Bonds is installed there, their ties to MLB would be irrevocably dissolved.