Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

[Phil316]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Not saying anything about the helmets. Just showing that at 3:24 in this clip from October 2011 there's an Eli helmet which came from the team. Interesting to hear what Jarrod notices about the helmet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBcF...XogKsjuYaVvLWg

Interesting remark about the front bumper.

[helmets]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Velcro to hold the communications speaker and battery pack. There is no microphone in the helmet.

[joelsabi]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

The first year or two that the NFL started using the decal, they were plain green.

thanks for the explanation.

Is there anything different about the QB helmet as opposed to his other teammates, such as communication mic to communicate with the coaches. What on the insides would be different?

[perlman9]

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Hey Helmets
Can you shoot me an email at jperlman (at) ohaflcio.org thanks!

[helmets]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

just an observation.

On the QB transmission sticker from the JO 2011 video posted by Eric look like this screenshot.

And GMEN92's helmet, the sticker is just blank Green.

The first year or two that the NFL started using the decal, they were plain green.

[joelsabi]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Back side

just an observation.

On the QB transmission sticker from the JO 2011 video posted by Eric look like this screenshot.

And GMEN92's helmet, the sticker is just blank Green.

I also looked at the 2008 Super Bowl and I was able to see the same sticker with the NFL insignia, like the JO video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyzdxqNXBXw

[mbenga28]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Does this case first have to be decided first or can collectors who purchased Giants game worn begin to file suits now as well?

[Eric]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Not saying anything about the helmets. Just showing that at 3:24 in this clip from October 2011 there's an Eli helmet which came from the team. Interesting to hear what Jarrod notices about the helmet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBcFPVAmfnE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUWjZ78ZvXXogKsjuYaVvLWg

[HawaiiSportsNut]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

They are talking about it on CNN right now.

[Roady]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Olbermann himself is a collector which has to turn his stomach too. CNN had Chris Nerat on talking about this and I'm sure this will be picked up by ESPN soon.

Olberman turns my stomach.

[GMEN92]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Joel..
I have ask as I'm a huge giants fan and collector, and have met eli on several occasions and have got stuff signed... Doesn't just a photo of him signing a helmet does not mean he had nothing to do with this..
I'm sure there's others like me who are now stuck what looks like to be a $5k paper weight .
You have to also look at it that he's signed the helmets in question here.. And inscribed them.. Game used.. Eli Manning.(superbowl season for mine)...
So for the helmets that are in question that have been made public they all have an inscription and auto...
As well as I have 4 coas from STEINER for my helmet and at this point they apparently mean nothing!! !

As well I find it odd how they have not come forward with a statement yet..

So yes there's alot of questions to be answered.. . And regardless who dislikes who.. There are other people/collectors involved here that spent there hard earned money and have been lied to as well as cheated..

And apparently the HOF Realizes it as well as they pulled down the plaque that was on the supposed eli superbowl 42 helmet...

[Steeleraddict]

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I'll hold off for with the he said, she said.

But obermann had the emails of the nyg staff stating which gear was "bs gear" and which wasn't. If real, difficult to refute.

Wont comment on the staff cutting and resewing "game use repairs".

Either way, this really hurts the hobby. as seems to occur year after year.

I'll just say, if proven, I'm not at all surprised. Disappointed but not surprised.

[joelsabi]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

Not sure if you are saying that tongue in cheek, but at least "Lightly used" is still game used vs. "fake use". A buyer who looks at light-use items has to make their decision based on use.

A few weeks ago I sold a Chien-Ming Wang Yankees BP jersey with all the game used authentication. The buyer received the jersey and says it has no use. Certainly "light use" but to say "no use" calls in question the authetication which was done by Steiner. I see these one game used TBTC jerseys all the time. The tagging is crisp and might have no dirt on it but you can still photomatch them. That's light use and very collectible. Collectors love the TBTC items.

The situation still is apples and oranges as light use is still game use and fake use is fraud.

im not a football collector, but i read that quote as saying, from reading other articles and the JO threads, that it is hard to fake football game use. there was a post by a member who played football in college or semi who stated that is hard to fake/duplicate actual use from the field with tools.

with lightly use, you do not have enough info to make a decision. with fake use, you see enough use to says this is not matching up to marking that should be on the jersey after a 250 lb linebackers hits them and the jersey is unwashed. There is just too much hd video out there not to matchup an unwashed jersey.

I have to give Eli the benefit of the doubt on this. Looking at the photo provided of him signing equipment tells me there is enough stuff out there that could possible be doctored without his knowledge. Inselberg seems to have a axe to grind and is pushing it. I hope Eli files a libel suit against him.

[Steeleraddict]

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Didn't josports get a ton of giants gear? I seem to recall them posting videos of getting boxes and boxes of " GU helmets"

[allstarsplus]

Re: Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

I wonder if the same was said when they saw lightly used Jeter game used bats.

Not sure if you are saying that tongue in cheek, but at least "Lightly used" is still game used vs. "fake use". A buyer who looks at light-use items has to make their decision based on use.

A few weeks ago I sold a Chien-Ming Wang Yankees BP jersey with all the game used authentication. The buyer received the jersey and says it has no use. Certainly "light use" but to say "no use" calls in question the authetication which was done by Steiner. I see these one game used TBTC jerseys all the time. The tagging is crisp and might have no dirt on it but you can still photomatch them. That's light use and very collectible. Collectors love the TBTC items.

The situation still is apples and oranges as light use is still game use and fake use is fraud.