Eli and Giants Fake Memorabilia lawsuit

[jbean023]

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The mlb program is a great program but also has flaws as no one is perfect. From what I have learned most authenticators have some kind of law background but there's not, for what I know of, an authenticator school. What do they get a month training class? I dont agree with authenticating used jerseys, bats, helmets, ect as issued just because they didn't see them worn either don't hologram them at all and get a team LOA or get a professional and photo match them to at least one game especially the pinstripes jerseys,bats,and helmets. They would have access to team photographers, video, ect. They had issues with a lot of WBC balls last year. I caught a Nady pinstripe mlb authenticated to opening day and the jersey didn't match, sent back to Steiner for refund, they resold to Krukscards, I told Kruk when they listed on ebay and not sure what happened to the jersey after that. I own a lot of Steiner items and I stand by them as most their Cubs jerseys show way more use and match more often than Cubs team LOAs. NFL had a rough year with selling jerseys to the wrong game. I think someone passionate and educated about game used should start an authentication company, training employees correctly and go to as many sporting events as possible, and take over authentication for nfl,mlb,nhl,and nba. Back to the Eli case, I just had to chime in on the mlb authentication thoughts.

[metsbats]

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I suspect the "authenticators" who work for mlb are just auditors whose sole purpose is to ensure that the item is taken directly from the field or clubhouse into the hands of the team store. So there is no real authentication or research done. I alos suspect items may be also "authenticated" after the fact so what the player gives the team to be sold really relies on the integrity of the player.

[mbenga28]

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Is the collector mentioned in this article a member here?

http://nypost.com/2014/01/31/collector-fears-eli-cheated-him-with-fake-8500-rookie-helmet/

[allstarsplus]

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I suspect the "authenticators" who work for mlb are just auditors whose sole purpose is to ensure that the item is taken directly from the field or clubhouse into the hands of the team store. So there is no real authentication or research done. I alos suspect items may be also "authenticated" after the fact so what the player gives the team to be sold really relies on the integrity of the player.

Funny you used the word "auditors". MLB they first began the authentication program used the accounting firm of Deloitte & Touche to handle the authenticators then switched to law enforcement backgrounds with training.

On the part I highlighted in red, if they don't see the jersey coming off their back or the jersey isn't pre-marked, then it's not supposed to be authenticated as "game used" and will get a "game issued" authentication instead.

The research they do is more with items used during the game like the chain of events on a game used baseball or a broken bat.

Authenticators who have come to our autograph signings have been very knowledgeable.

Honest mistakes do get made and they usually correct them when they are notified. We had a base with an incorrect game date. It turned out the entire game log had the wrong date where instead of Sept 25th it was entered as Aug 25th. They corrected it.

Now they are using scanners and more sophisticated ways to upload the information quicker.

The fact that they rotate authenticators and use multiple authenticators for key games also helps in the integrity and that there is also a review process daily in MLB Headquarters adds to how good the system really is.

I don't believe there is a better authentication system in pro sports and this should be the model for the NFL.

[allstarsplus]

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Is the collector mentioned in this article a member here?

http://nypost.com/2014/01/31/collect...rookie-helmet/

This excerpt is scary

A former Steiner Sports employee said Thursday that staffers of the memorabilia seller suspected that not all of the “game-used” gear was real.

“Specifically, from Eli we would see it and say, ‘Come on, this is not ‘game used,’ ” the source said.

[allstarsplus]

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Keith Olbermann did a segment on this tonight. Worth watching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFtI...ature=youtu.be

Olbermann himself is a collector which has to turn his stomach too. CNN had Chris Nerat on talking about this and I'm sure this will be picked up by ESPN soon.

[mbenga28]

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This excerpt is scary

A former Steiner Sports employee said Thursday that staffers of the memorabilia seller suspected that not all of the “game-used” gear was real.

“Specifically, from Eli we would see it and say, ‘Come on, this is not ‘game used,’ ” the source said.

I wonder if the same was said when they saw lightly used Jeter game used bats.

[GMEN92]

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Is the collector mentioned in this article a member here?

http://nypost.com/2014/01/31/collect...rookie-helmet/

Was wondering the same thing...

[allstarsplus]

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I wonder if the same was said when they saw lightly used Jeter game used bats.

Not sure if you are saying that tongue in cheek, but at least "Lightly used" is still game used vs. "fake use". A buyer who looks at light-use items has to make their decision based on use.

A few weeks ago I sold a Chien-Ming Wang Yankees BP jersey with all the game used authentication. The buyer received the jersey and says it has no use. Certainly "light use" but to say "no use" calls in question the authetication which was done by Steiner. I see these one game used TBTC jerseys all the time. The tagging is crisp and might have no dirt on it but you can still photomatch them. That's light use and very collectible. Collectors love the TBTC items.

The situation still is apples and oranges as light use is still game use and fake use is fraud.

[Steeleraddict]

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Didn't josports get a ton of giants gear? I seem to recall them posting videos of getting boxes and boxes of " GU helmets"

[joelsabi]

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Not sure if you are saying that tongue in cheek, but at least "Lightly used" is still game used vs. "fake use". A buyer who looks at light-use items has to make their decision based on use.

A few weeks ago I sold a Chien-Ming Wang Yankees BP jersey with all the game used authentication. The buyer received the jersey and says it has no use. Certainly "light use" but to say "no use" calls in question the authetication which was done by Steiner. I see these one game used TBTC jerseys all the time. The tagging is crisp and might have no dirt on it but you can still photomatch them. That's light use and very collectible. Collectors love the TBTC items.

The situation still is apples and oranges as light use is still game use and fake use is fraud.

im not a football collector, but i read that quote as saying, from reading other articles and the JO threads, that it is hard to fake football game use. there was a post by a member who played football in college or semi who stated that is hard to fake/duplicate actual use from the field with tools.

with lightly use, you do not have enough info to make a decision. with fake use, you see enough use to says this is not matching up to marking that should be on the jersey after a 250 lb linebackers hits them and the jersey is unwashed. There is just too much hd video out there not to matchup an unwashed jersey.

I have to give Eli the benefit of the doubt on this. Looking at the photo provided of him signing equipment tells me there is enough stuff out there that could possible be doctored without his knowledge. Inselberg seems to have a axe to grind and is pushing it. I hope Eli files a libel suit against him.

[Steeleraddict]

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I'll hold off for with the he said, she said.

But obermann had the emails of the nyg staff stating which gear was "bs gear" and which wasn't. If real, difficult to refute.

Wont comment on the staff cutting and resewing "game use repairs".

Either way, this really hurts the hobby. as seems to occur year after year.

I'll just say, if proven, I'm not at all surprised. Disappointed but not surprised.

[GMEN92]

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Joel..
I have ask as I'm a huge giants fan and collector, and have met eli on several occasions and have got stuff signed... Doesn't just a photo of him signing a helmet does not mean he had nothing to do with this..
I'm sure there's others like me who are now stuck what looks like to be a $5k paper weight .
You have to also look at it that he's signed the helmets in question here.. And inscribed them.. Game used.. Eli Manning.(superbowl season for mine)...
So for the helmets that are in question that have been made public they all have an inscription and auto...
As well as I have 4 coas from STEINER for my helmet and at this point they apparently mean nothing!! !

As well I find it odd how they have not come forward with a statement yet..

So yes there's alot of questions to be answered.. . And regardless who dislikes who.. There are other people/collectors involved here that spent there hard earned money and have been lied to as well as cheated..

And apparently the HOF Realizes it as well as they pulled down the plaque that was on the supposed eli superbowl 42 helmet...

[Roady]

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Olbermann himself is a collector which has to turn his stomach too. CNN had Chris Nerat on talking about this and I'm sure this will be picked up by ESPN soon.

Olberman turns my stomach.

[HawaiiSportsNut]

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They are talking about it on CNN right now.