How lazy are MLB auth. getting?

[emann]

Re: How lazy are MLB auth. getting?

The Red Sox jerseys look to also be regular season jerseys with the playoff or world series patches added. The world series jersey has some light wear but the playoff jersey looks to be pretty worn out.

From what I've seen and own, most of the Sox jerseys from the Playoffs were carried over from the season and patched. The WS jerseys all appeared to be new.

I think the WS G1 were used once and pulled. I think G2's were worn in G6. The players kept their white G6 jerseys (and I presume G4 grays which were probably reused in G5).

[jojac]

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The Red Sox jerseys look to also be regular season jerseys with the playoff or world series patches added. The world series jersey has some light wear but the playoff jersey looks to be pretty worn out.

[onlyalbert]

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[QUOTE=jojac;350008]The game one Red Sox World Series jersey I have has been washed. I also wondered if they were used at a later date.
I have an gray playoff jersey from the ALDS and the closes photo match I came across is from a game in the ALCS based on a pine tar mark across the back shoulder. I was also wondering if the ALDS jerseys were used in the

Speaking only for the Cardinals, the team used reg season jerseys and added their own patch for home, road, and alternates to be used in both rounds of the playoffs. Don't know how many per player, 2 at the minimum, but could be more. I have an alternate postseason and it shows reg season use as well.

[jojac]

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The game one Red Sox World Series jersey I have has been washed. I also wondered if they were used at a later date.
I have an gray playoff jersey from the ALDS and the closes photo match I came across is from a game in the ALCS based on a pine tar mark across the back shoulder. I was also wondering if the ALDS jerseys were used in the ALCS.

[cruwet]

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Also- MLB has corrected the Cards' road WS jersey authentications to say 2013 instead of 2014 World Series.

[cruwet]

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Just to add some more info, it looks like the Red Sox World Series jerseys had a similar authentication pattern. All the jerseys I've seen have had only two authentication games, one each for the home white (authenticated after game 1) and road gray (authenticated to game 3) . But in this case, after game 1 the road whites were washed (and possibly put back into use), but the road grays, based on their obvious use (after game 3) were pulled right off the field, authenticated, and the second set most likely used for games 4 and 5. Just my opinion, but here's my guess on the jersey breakdown for the two teams. I could be totally wrong, but this is what it looks like to me:

Cardinals:

Game 1- (road gray) no authentication done after this game. Jerseys most likely used multiple times per email from the Cardinals

Game 2- (road gray)- authentication done after the series (December) to this game specifically. Jerseys most likely used multiple times per the Cardinals

Game 3- (Alternate) - authentication done after the game & jerseys pulled in off the field condition. Only time worn during the series

Game 4- (white) authentication done after the series (December) to this game specifically. Jerseys also possibly worn in game 5 (?)

Game 5- (white) no authentication done after this game. Jerseys possibly used in game 4 (?)

Game 6- (road gray) no authentication done after this game. Jerseys most likely used multiple times per email from the Cardinals



Red Sox

Game 1- (white) Authentication done after the game. Jerseys washed (used later in the series?)

Game 2- (white) No authentication done after the game.

Game 3- (gray) - authentication done after the game & jerseys pulled in off the field condition

Game 4- (gray) No authentication done after the game. (Must be the second set, as the jerseys from game 3 were pulled)

Game 5- (gray) No authentication done after the game.

Game 6- (white) No authentication done after the game (except Ortiz' jersey which was authenticated along with his helmet, batting gloves, cleats, and bats)


Again, I could be totally off on this, but these are just my thoughts based on checking out the authentication codes in the database & what has been showing up in auctions. Any additional info is more than welcome!

[cruwet]

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You are correct on the dates. I know the NLCS gm 6 jerseys were authenticated to that date and were unwashed. I know the Beltran WS gm 2 was auth in Dec also, but it has stains on the front. Those were not dirt stains though so it could've very well been worn later too. What a confusing mess! Shouldn't be this hard! MLB needs to adopt more uniform standards especially in these most important games.

Agreed 100%! I might understand regular season gamers not having precise dates for all games worn, but for the World Series?! No idea why there wasn't a better effort to log the jerseys on a game by game basis.

[onlyalbert]

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The sticker is on the front majestic tagging/label. The authentication date was in December. Not sure, but for the jerseys that show wear and were pulled right off the field, wasn't the authentication date that very night & not months later (in December?). Are there any cases of the roads specifically showing right off the field wear?

You are correct on the dates. I know the NLCS gm 6 jerseys were authenticated to that date and were unwashed. I know the Beltran WS gm 2 was auth in Dec also, but it has stains on the front. Those were not dirt stains though so it could've very well been worn later too. What a confusing mess! Shouldn't be this hard! MLB needs to adopt more uniform standards especially in these most important games.

[cruwet]

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The sticker is on the front majestic tagging/label. The authentication date was in December. Not sure, but for the jerseys that show wear and were pulled right off the field, wasn't the authentication date that very night & not months later (in December?). Are there any cases of the roads specifically showing right off the field wear?

[onlyalbert]

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I have a road Cards WS jersey, and it was authenticated to game 2, but it's clearly been washed and worn for more than that game. In fact I've photomatched it to game 6 with buckling of the numbers. My bet is they only bothered with authentication on jerseys 3 times for the Cards jerseys- one each for the home white, home alt and road gray. It doesn't look like there was any specific jersey authentication done on Cards jerseys for games 1, 5 and 6. Just my guess though... I said before, it may take extra research to determine when your jersey was worn, as the authentication doesn't seem to be 100% telling of the exact number of games the jersey was worn.

Can I ask where is the authentication sticker located? If it's on the back number I'd be surprised if it was used in game 6 but is possible. Generally, they are pulled the game they are authenticated in as I remember seeing dirt stains on some that were auctioned. I'm guessing if it was washed before then it was worn in game 1 as well.

[cruwet]

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I have a road Cards WS jersey, and it was authenticated to game 2, but it's clearly been washed and worn for more than that game. In fact I've photomatched it to game 6 with buckling of the numbers. My bet is they only bothered with authentication on jerseys 3 times for the Cards jerseys- one each for the home white, home alt and road gray. It doesn't look like there was any specific jersey authentication done on Cards jerseys for games 1, 5 and 6. Just my guess though... I said before, it may take extra research to determine when your jersey was worn, as the authentication doesn't seem to be 100% telling of the exact number of games the jersey was worn.

[onlyalbert]

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It's amazing to see the wide gap between different teams efforts in this aspect. Those of you that know me know what I am talking about.

[BamaHater]

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An article interviewing Mike Acosta about MLB Authentication and here is highlights of that article.

A few years ago MLB merged the authentication program partially into the security program. Previously an accounting company such as Price Waterhouse Coopers handled authentication, but MLB recruited local police officers to become authenticators and expand the program. Now they sit as witnesses to all items that are used in a game.

I have worked with authenticators since the program’s inception. In fact I have worked on all team collections since my first season in 1999. We have four rotating authenticators from the Houston Police Department that work on behalf of Major League Baseball.
My job is to manage what we collect from a game and make sure they know all the details for a certain item. Game-used collectibles have been very popular and became another revenue source for teams around the league. In 2009 we joined the group of teams selling authentic game-used merchandise and branded it to our team.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...al-game-action

[BamaHater]

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Here is a video back from 2012 from the head of the Astros Authentics Mike Acosta on how MLB Authentication is done specifically from an Astros perspective. I will say Mike is a stickler for the details and he takes pride in making sure the descriptions are accurate and he get as many detail as possible.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v22681433/mike-acosta-on-his-job-as-astros-authenticator

[08Cubs]

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That *is* lazy, but not inconsistent with the usual practice.

I was pleasantly surprised to see that many Nats 2012 postseason items contain entries for multiple specific games used returned for a singe hologram. (For example, home jerseys used in all three home games). There seems to be no reason why the Cards couldn't have done the same.