What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

[stasman]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

I'm with you guys...this post and discussion has ran its course. Although Palehose you do bring up legit concerns over proof... You can't always prove things with a photo match.. Circumstantial evidence can convict too. If I wake up in the morning and there is snow on the ground..but I didn't see it snowing.. I can honestly say it snowed last night without seeing a flake. Circumstantial and physical evidence combined make for very strong proof.
Thanks to all members who were involved in my thread...I learned a lot and I will continue collecting for my enjoyment. Go Sox

[BU54CB]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

I'll take a solid photo match over provenance any day of the week. Proof requires evidence to establish a fact what you have here are opinions. Pay me $20 and I can write you an opinion too what does that prove?

I don't deal in uncertainty any longer my items are photo matched 100% when it comes to GU & my collection which I have posted on here speaks for itself research it its not hard to do.

I've switched 90% out of baseball to football, only purchase items that can be PROVEN 100% cause I don't own a toy collection I hunt grails bud.

I'm ignorant? I spent thousands with the White Sox since 1999 both online and thru their garage sales and let me tell you they mix everything together issued & used & throw it all out there as game used its buyer beware like everything else in this hobby & If I had a dollar for every story that contained a clubhouse guy and/or impeccable source I would be a millionaire & quite frankly after all these years those types of stories turn my stomach. IDC if you can't find pictures or auction houses @ times only provide what you are trying to pass of as proof it doesn't make it rite and/or a fact.

The tagging & sizing are a good start along with the autograph but that still doesn't prove Thomas wore it. Who is to say he didn't just autograph the hat do you really think that doesn't happen? It doesn't matter what you have Frank on tape saying as there is no way in hell that Frank remembers a hat from 24 years ago when he has worn hundreds of hats and if it was such a special hat for him to remember in would be in his trophy room.

Sorry if this doesn't fit you agenda or you don't want/can't understand the reality of this hobby when it comes to selling that people want proof not opinions when they part with hundreds &/or thousands of dollars & if you can't supply that proof then you are selling on the low end of the spectrum or to a fool who doesn't know better.

I guess it doesn't matter anyways as this whole ordeal has the feel of a played out infomercial & a precursor to a future sale.

Typical

[R. C. Walker]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

BUMP TTT!

Sorry. . . . . Couldn't resist.

[r_to_the_2nd@yahoo.com]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

Ironmanfan - I saw that you posted a few years back that you had a Chris Sabo GU Batting helmet that you picked up - I would love to see it if you still have it. I have never seen a Sabo GU helmet before. Email me at r_to_the_2nd@yahoo.com - thanks!

[net0@thehalf]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

This particular hat was used in the final home series in 1990. During that year the Sox wore red, white and blue uniforms. They introduced their new uniforms ( the current black and whites) to the fans before the 1991 season so the fans could check them out. So this is Franks first Black white sox cap. I being a huge Frank fan and life long White Sox fan I really love this hat. I don't think I would ever sell it but, I could understand if a collector would make an offer like that how it would be difficult not to sell.

His first black white sox cap? really? how do you know this? do you know how many hats he probably went thru in his career??? how in the world could he remember a hat he wore? let alone a jersey,pants, gloves etc..... fielding glove yes! all that stuff especially a hat is about as rare as the socks and stirrups he wore!!! He was impressed with a hat? the hall of fame wouldn't want something that can't be proven one way or the other. Again not trying to discount your item, but photomatching a hat is damn near impossible, and an loa is damn near worthless unless frank signed a piece of paper saying its his and even then id still pause on buying it since there is no proof and nobody can verify they really wore a hat 24yrs ago! he went thru countless hats bats etc. whose to say it wasn't issued and some turd has been running around In it sweating his b-sac off in it and passing it off as gu? trust me stranger things have happened, as there are lots of DR'$ out thrrr!!! anyone can write 35 on the inside of a hat. That and $1 will get you a pair of sweaty. socks, and maybe I can sell those too?

[net0@thehalf]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

A hats a hat its not like shoeless joes shoes. yes he's a hof but not babe ruth. id say 2-300 if.it can be proven. maybe 500 tops but its more of a novelty piece, or super rare item. IMO. Too bad players don't have there name and or number stitched on the side.... customization adds lots of wow factor!!!

[stasman]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

A hats a hat its not like shoeless joes shoes. yes he's a hof but not babe ruth. id say 2-300 if.it can be proven. maybe 500 tops but its more of a novelty piece, or super rare item. IMO. Too bad players don't have there name and or number stitched on the side.... customization adds lots of wow factor!!!

The White Sox introduced their black caps during their last homestead of 1990. There were only 6 games.. I know this based on the tagging in the hat and that the clubhouse attendant obtained it at the end if the 1990 season.

[stasman]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

The White Sox introduced their black caps during their last homestead of 1990. There were only 6 games.. I know this based on the tagging in the hat and that the clubhouse attendant obtained it at the end if the 1990 season.

The hat manufacturer changed their tagging in 1991

[stasman]

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I understand doubt... But I have done everything I can to try to confirm the authenticity. I feel it's authentic... If a member doesn't think it's authentic then you have your opinion too. Go Sox

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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The hat manufacturer changed their tagging in 1991

Could you show images of the tagging and the whole cap? It'd be interesting to see. As for value, I don't know what to say. I think if it were photo-matched (and, yes, I realize that'd be difficult, but since you know the exact dates it could have been used, not impossible) that would be one thing, but with what you have currently for documentation, your market would be limited.

The hat might be "worth" a couple grand, but it would likely only get $500 or less in an auction based environment. The $500 means the amount you'd get, not necessarily the hammer price of the house.

[stasman]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

Could you show images of the tagging and the whole cap? It'd be interesting to see. As for value, I don't know what to say. I think if it were photo-matched (and, yes, I realize that'd be difficult, but since you know the exact dates it could have been used, not impossible) that would be one thing, but with what you have currently for documentation, your market would be limited.

The hat might be "worth" a couple grand, but it would likely only get $500 or less in an auction based environment. The $500 means the amount you'd get, not necessarily the hammer price of the house.

I hope this one shows the tags. A member in the forum posted the history of this company's tagging and this cap was used 1989-1990 then they changed their tagging

[stasman]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

I hope this one shows the tags. A member in the forum posted the history of this company's tagging and this cap was used 1989-1990 then they changed their tagging

Here's another photo

[Roady]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

If this hat was attached to one of the auction houses many on here like to overpay items at and had a letter from someone then they would be all over it.

[stasman]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

If this hat was attached to one of the auction houses many on here like to overpay items at and had a letter from someone then they would be all over it.

Being I have the Coa and LOA from the uniform expert, the PSA on the auto and Frank confirming the old auto on video..I think it might do very well if we put it in an auction too.

[Roady]

Re: What's it worth? Frank Thomas rookie cap

Being I have the Coa and LOA from the uniform expert, the PSA on the auto and Frank confirming the old auto on video..I think it might do very well if we put it in an auction too.

It would and it amazes me what some on here pay for items with a single letter from a single man.
Yet they demand more proof from you.