Patrick Willis...No Game Use to Lots of Game Use!

[beachpetrol]

Re: Patrick Willis...No Game Use to Lots of Game Use!

My friend when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong. The plates are different. I should've looked closer. But I still wonder where those "hit marks and transfer markings" came from...on a superstar player jersey without one shred of provenance.

Yeah, if he does have connections, I wonder why he doesn't mention that in the auction in some way. Looks like the auction ended, so maybe it will show up again in the near future, or maybe he sold it off ebay.

[solarlottry]

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I have recently picked up a number of game worn 49er jerseys that had "player provenance" but did not have a COA. I was told that the seller had connections and that the shirts were good. I took a chance and have been able to add a number of quality gamers at good prices including Anquan Boldin and Eric Reid shirts worn in the NFC championship game.

Just because a shirt does not have a COA stating provenance does not mean it is not good. I have numerous 49er gamers that do not have direct provenance that are key additions to my collection.

Some of the 2012 and 2013 49er shirts that I recently added had use similar to the use the Willis in the eBay auction showed. Also the white jerseys do not show much use in the images but do show way more when in hand. All of the jerseys I have added have been washed and washing removes much of the use as well.

Xsentrixsupra-you may be confusing eBay sellers. The seller of the Boldin was different than the seller of the Willis. I acquired a home Boldin from that seller which is his first 49er gamer.


Always buying 49er gamers especially 1994 and vintage gamers.
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[G1X]

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Just because a shirt does not have a COA stating provenance does not mean it is not good. I have numerous 49er gamers that do not have direct provenance that are key additions to my collection.
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

Well said, Paul. Like you, numerous jerseys in my collection have little or no provenance, especially the older jerseys. Does this make our jerseys questionable or no good? Of course not.

I realize that some collectors depend on COAs, professional authentication, provenance, or other proof that the item is what it supposed to be, but keep in mind that there are numerous collectors who collect specific teams, players, etc. (such as Paul with the 49ers) who have the knowledge and expertise to determine for themselves.

Please, before posting in this Forum about "fake" and questionable items, be absolutely sure, beyond any doubt, that you are 100% correct. Otherwise, you are doing a disservice to not only the person trying to sell the item, but also to the hobby in general.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange

[Preston]

Re: Patrick Willis...No Game Use to Lots of Game Use!

I have recently picked up a number of game worn 49er jerseys that had "player provenance" but did not have a COA. I was told that the seller had connections and that the shirts were good. I took a chance and have been able to add a number of quality gamers at good prices including Anquan Boldin and Eric Reid shirts worn in the NFC championship game.

Just because a shirt does not have a COA stating provenance does not mean it is not good. I have numerous 49er gamers that do not have direct provenance that are key additions to my collection.

Some of the 2012 and 2013 49er shirts that I recently added had use similar to the use the Willis in the eBay auction showed. Also the white jerseys do not show much use in the images but do show way more when in hand. All of the jerseys I have added have been washed and washing removes much of the use as well.

Xsentrixsupra-you may be confusing eBay sellers. The seller of the Boldin was different than the seller of the Willis. I acquired a home Boldin from that seller which is his first 49er gamer.


Always buying 49er gamers especially 1994 and vintage gamers.
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

Hey Paul,

Any chance you would be able to get a Quinton Patton gamer? He's from my town and I would love to get one of his jerseys.

[CollectGU]

Re: Patrick Willis...No Game Use to Lots of Game Use!

Crickets from Loomis.............

[Roady]

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[DoctorLoomis]

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Crickets from Loomis.............

Crickets? No its called having a family, a career and a life outside of collecting memorabilia. Further I already admitted I was wrong.... publicly.... that the two jerseys were different. However I stand by my remark that Patrick Willis jerseys don't just pop up with zero provenance.. especially more than one from the same seller. It seems that people share my thoughts exactly since the first jersey brought a lowly $200 or so. If I'm wrong then so be it.... by my suspicions.... shared with most on this board.... is the jersey with the hit marks and transfer marks" was never ever worn by Patrick Willis. If you disagree then get your money on the table and buy it.

[beachpetrol]

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Crickets? No its called having a family, a career and a life outside of collecting memorabilia. Further I already admitted I was wrong.... publicly.... that the two jerseys were different. However I stand by my remark that Patrick Willis jerseys don't just pop up with zero provenance.. especially more than one from the same seller. It seems that people share my thoughts exactly since the first jersey brought a lowly $200 or so. If I'm wrong then so be it.... by my suspicions.... shared with most on this board.... is the jersey with the hit marks and transfer marks" was never ever worn by Patrick Willis. If you disagree then get your money on the table and buy it.

I don't think you owe the seller any apology whatsoever. Your concerns are legit. I feel, there is actually a very very small chance that it could be the same jersey. Does anyone know if removing and replacing a screened on number on a jersey, is a possible thing to do?

Also, if this seller is credible and has provenance, whether it be player or locker room or whatever, why is he saying all sales are final and demanding payment as soon as the auction ends? His wording in the auction descriptions not mentioning game issued or game worn/used, is very suspicious as well.

[DoctorLoomis]

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I don't think you owe the seller any apology whatsoever. Your concerns are legit. I feel, there is actually a very very small chance that it could be the same jersey. Does anyone know if removing and replacing a screened on number on a jersey, is a possible thing to do?

Also, if this seller is credible and has provenance, whether it be player or locker room or whatever, why is he saying all sales are final and demanding payment as soon as the auction ends? His wording in the auction descriptions not mentioning game issued or game worn/used, is very suspicious as well.

Thank you my friend. The description of the second jersey states that it shows use. Does that not IMPLY use from Patrick Willis? If not was the use from a backyard touch football game with the in laws? Who used it? I Smell a rat and I know that ANY knowledgeable collector on these boards does too.

[DoctorLoomis]

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Well said, Paul. Like you, numerous jerseys in my collection have little or no provenance, especially the older jerseys. Does this make our jerseys questionable or no good? Of course not.

I realize that some collectors depend on COAs, professional authentication, provenance, or other proof that the item is what it supposed to be, but keep in mind that there are numerous collectors who collect specific teams, players, etc. (such as Paul with the 49ers) who have the knowledge and expertise to determine for themselves.

Please, before posting in this Forum about "fake" and questionable items, be absolutely sure, beyond any doubt, that you are 100% correct. Otherwise, you are doing a disservice to not only the person trying to sell the item, but also to the hobby in general.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange

Mark I understand you perfectly. However, we're not talking about an older jersey here. Here's the bottom line.....MULTIPLE Patrick Willis jerseys DO NOT walk out of the stadium.... worth 4 thousand dollars each.... and end up on eBay..... both from the same seller.... with a price of 200 bucks. Nothing else I can say.

[beachpetrol]

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Thank you my friend. The description of the second jersey states that it shows use. Does that not IMPLY use from Patrick Willis? If not was the use from a backyard touch football game with the in laws? Who used it? I Smell a rat and I know that ANY knowledgeable collector on these boards does too.

Do you, or anyone else for that matter, know if removing and replacing a screened on number is a possible thing to do? Reason I ask, check out the front 5 on both jerseys. To me, the second one looks a little more elongated.

[Roady]

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I don't think you owe the seller any apology whatsoever. Your concerns are legit. I feel, there is actually a very very small chance that it could be the same jersey. Does anyone know if removing and replacing a screened on number on a jersey, is a possible thing to do?

Also, if this seller is credible and has provenance, whether it be player or locker room or whatever, why is he saying all sales are final and demanding payment as soon as the auction ends? His wording in the auction descriptions not mentioning game issued or game worn/used, is very suspicious as well.

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[beachpetrol]

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Great info. Thanks. I think we're getting closer to figuring this out now.

[Roady]

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Great info. Thanks. I think we're getting closer to figuring this out now.

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[beachpetrol]

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I don't think Professor Plum is trying to sell the jersey.