Patrick Willis...No Game Use to Lots of Game Use!

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  • CollectGU
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    Crickets from Loomis.............

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  • Preston
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    Originally posted by solarlottry
    I have recently picked up a number of game worn 49er jerseys that had "player provenance" but did not have a COA. I was told that the seller had connections and that the shirts were good. I took a chance and have been able to add a number of quality gamers at good prices including Anquan Boldin and Eric Reid shirts worn in the NFC championship game.

    Just because a shirt does not have a COA stating provenance does not mean it is not good. I have numerous 49er gamers that do not have direct provenance that are key additions to my collection.

    Some of the 2012 and 2013 49er shirts that I recently added had use similar to the use the Willis in the eBay auction showed. Also the white jerseys do not show much use in the images but do show way more when in hand. All of the jerseys I have added have been washed and washing removes much of the use as well.

    Xsentrixsupra-you may be confusing eBay sellers. The seller of the Boldin was different than the seller of the Willis. I acquired a home Boldin from that seller which is his first 49er gamer.


    Always buying 49er gamers especially 1994 and vintage gamers.
    Paul
    garciajones@yahoo.com

    Hey Paul,

    Any chance you would be able to get a Quinton Patton gamer? He's from my town and I would love to get one of his jerseys.

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  • G1X
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    Originally posted by solarlottry
    Just because a shirt does not have a COA stating provenance does not mean it is not good. I have numerous 49er gamers that do not have direct provenance that are key additions to my collection.
    Paul
    garciajones@yahoo.com
    Well said, Paul. Like you, numerous jerseys in my collection have little or no provenance, especially the older jerseys. Does this make our jerseys questionable or no good? Of course not.

    I realize that some collectors depend on COAs, professional authentication, provenance, or other proof that the item is what it supposed to be, but keep in mind that there are numerous collectors who collect specific teams, players, etc. (such as Paul with the 49ers) who have the knowledge and expertise to determine for themselves.

    Please, before posting in this Forum about "fake" and questionable items, be absolutely sure, beyond any doubt, that you are 100% correct. Otherwise, you are doing a disservice to not only the person trying to sell the item, but also to the hobby in general.

    Mark Hayne
    Gridiron Exchange

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  • solarlottry
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    I have recently picked up a number of game worn 49er jerseys that had "player provenance" but did not have a COA. I was told that the seller had connections and that the shirts were good. I took a chance and have been able to add a number of quality gamers at good prices including Anquan Boldin and Eric Reid shirts worn in the NFC championship game.

    Just because a shirt does not have a COA stating provenance does not mean it is not good. I have numerous 49er gamers that do not have direct provenance that are key additions to my collection.

    Some of the 2012 and 2013 49er shirts that I recently added had use similar to the use the Willis in the eBay auction showed. Also the white jerseys do not show much use in the images but do show way more when in hand. All of the jerseys I have added have been washed and washing removes much of the use as well.

    Xsentrixsupra-you may be confusing eBay sellers. The seller of the Boldin was different than the seller of the Willis. I acquired a home Boldin from that seller which is his first 49er gamer.


    Always buying 49er gamers especially 1994 and vintage gamers.
    Paul
    garciajones@yahoo.com

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  • beachpetrol
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    Originally posted by DoctorLoomis
    My friend when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong. The plates are different. I should've looked closer. But I still wonder where those "hit marks and transfer markings" came from...on a superstar player jersey without one shred of provenance.
    Yeah, if he does have connections, I wonder why he doesn't mention that in the auction in some way. Looks like the auction ended, so maybe it will show up again in the near future, or maybe he sold it off ebay.

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  • CollectGU
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    Originally posted by Phil316
    In my opinion they are 2 different jerseys.

    The only thing that is odd is him talking about replating.
    Two totally different jerseys, Loomis owes the seller an apology.....

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  • xsentrixsupra
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    I offered him 500 for a Boldin jersey and a Kaepernick jersey he had and he declined

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  • Phil316
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    Originally posted by COWBOYS4EVR
    IMO, seems to be 2 different jerseys.
    Spacing between the 5-2 is different.
    In my opinion they are 2 different jerseys.

    The only thing that is odd is him talking about replating.

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  • COWBOYS4EVR
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    IMO, seems to be 2 different jerseys.
    Spacing between the 5-2 is different.

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  • xsentrixsupra
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    Originally posted by Roady
    I am wrong but there must be something to make me right.
    Some of you guys are like those Bigfoot hunters. You see a Bigfoot in every photo and behind every tree.
    You should apologize to the seller.
    I know what you mean, by it being a type of witch hunt, whenever something is posted, people want everything to be absolutely perfect and go out of their way to find flaws and raise questions.

    In this case though it does seem like people have raised some legit concerns. It isn't the typical "well this mesh hole is off .00002 cm from the edge of the # it must be fake" I'm not 1 of the people who goes to that detail, but I was looking at this jersey when he had it for sale earlier and just wasn't able to find anything even remotely close to the marks on the shoulder area. That's not to say 100% it's not legit as the guy seemed like a nice dude, but there are plenty of pics with a simple Google image search of every half of every game from that season with Willis playing and I wasn't able to find anything close.

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  • Roady
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    Originally posted by DoctorLoomis
    My friend when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong. The plates are different. I should've looked closer. But I still wonder where those "hit marks and transfer markings" came from...on a superstar player jersey without one shred of provenance.
    I am wrong but there must be something to make me right.
    Some of you guys are like those Bigfoot hunters. You see a Bigfoot in every photo and behind every tree.
    You should apologize to the seller.

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  • xsentrixsupra
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    I've spoken to him before on some 49ers jerseys. He said his dad is an entertianment lawyer and specifically works with XAM which represents Kaepernick. I ended up not feeling comfortable with it, but the guy did seem knowledgable so for better or worse, he does seem to know what is what. He said he actually does have boxes of jerseys dating from back to 09. He was talking about the difference between replating a jersey and game used. In the end seemed like a nice guy, but I looked at photos of all the games from the season the jersey was represented as and couldn't match up any of the marks, so I ended up passing.

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  • DoctorLoomis
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    Originally posted by beachpetrol
    I noticed the nameplates are different as well. So you think they changed the nameplate on the issued jersey to make it look like a different jersey and add some wear to it, to make it look game used? Even though nowhere in the current auction does it say game worn or game used.
    My friend when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong. The plates are different. I should've looked closer. But I still wonder where those "hit marks and transfer markings" came from...on a superstar player jersey without one shred of provenance.

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  • DoctorLoomis
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    Originally posted by beachpetrol
    I noticed the nameplates are different as well. So you think they changed the nameplate on the issued jersey to make it look like a different jersey and add some wear to it, to make it look game used? Even though nowhere in the current auction does it say game worn or game used.
    I'll agree it doesn't say game used...but it does say "some use with several hit marks". I wonder where those hit marks came from. Further, I stand by my previous comment that this guy has a cache of jerseys lying around that happen to be worth 3-4K a piece.....from the same player....from the same year....both road jerseys....and not a lick of provenance, history, etc. I leave it to each collector to form their own opinion. I have definitely formed mine.

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  • beachpetrol
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    I noticed the nameplates are different as well. So you think they changed the nameplate on the issued jersey to make it look like a different jersey and add some wear to it, to make it look game used? Even though nowhere in the current auction does it say game worn or game used.

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