Players with over priced gamers

[Roady]

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Sure, they were at least as good on a relative basis..but also you are talking about two different types of players, different skill sets, different positions. Speed and defense do play a part during a game, as do hitting first or second in the lineup versus third or fourth.
And I like Albert as a player, just not a big fan of his attitude off the field and towards fans, where he and Trout are much different.

Really? That is very generious of you. I am sure Pujols is appreciative.

First 3 seasons
Pujols
1. .329, 37 hr, 130 RBI
2. .314, 34 hr, 127 RBI
3. .359, 43 hr, 124 RBI

Trout
1. .326, 30 hr, 83 RBI
2. .323, 27 hr, 97 RBI
3. .287, 36 hr, 111 RBI

[gorilla777]

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Really? Thanks for your reply. We were talking about first two seasons. And I said relative, so you again are not counting speed and defense. And first baseman versus centerfield are different positions. You are counting three stats, well done. It's not over the line softball at the beach.

[Roady]

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Really? Thanks for your reply. We were talking about first two seasons. And I said relative, so you again are not counting speed and defense. And first baseman versus centerfield are different positions. You are counting three stats, well done. It's not over the line softball at the beach.

Were were actually talking about the first 3 seasons. I thought your reply about 2 was just a typo.
You can find it in the thread that I brought up 3 not 2.

Anyway, it's baseball. Everyone is not supposed to agree.

[Cubsfan4life]

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Really? That is very generious of you. I am sure Pujols is appreciative.

First 3 seasons
Pujols
1. .329, 37 hr, 130 RBI
2. .314, 34 hr, 127 RBI
3. .359, 43 hr, 124 RBI

Trout
1. .326, 30 hr, 83 RBI
2. .323, 27 hr, 97 RBI
3. .287, 36 hr, 111 RBI

You also have to consider the different eras as well. In 2001, 46 players hit .300 or over and 40 players hit 30 or more homers. In 2014, only 17 hit .300 and 11 hit 30 homers.

[Roady]

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You also have to consider the different eras as well. In 2001, 46 players hit .300 or over and 40 players hit 30 or more homers. In 2014, only 17 hit .300 and 11 hit 30 homers.

Oh, I considered the era. Pujols was hitting against steroid freaks.

[vonbrandingo]

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Buy vintage, buy vintage, buy vintage is the point across most sports. If those numbers quoted on current NFL Auctions are true, then that is unreal.
And to answer the original post, I consider overpriced anything that I get outbid on at auction or can't afford, though that is just when I am carrying around sour grapes.

Ben, what's considered vintage today, pre-1980?

[gorilla777]

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Ben, what's considered vintage today, pre-1980?

Hi Rod, yeah, I think that is about right. But I know some would probably push that timeline back to like pre-1970, similar to the card market cut off. It just seems to me that given the price levels GU baseball items from the 50s and even 60s have gotten to now, that some of the 70s era items are stupid cheap by comparison. Again, just my opinion, but bats/jerseys for players like Fisk, Bench, Schmidt, Carew, Brett and early Rice, Murray, Ozzie, Molitor and Yount should continue to move on up here over time.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

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First 3 seasons
Pujols, 1B
Age 21: .329, 37 hr, 130 RBI, 112 Runs, 1/4 SB, 1.013 OPS, 157 OPS+
Age 22: .314, 34 hr, 127 RBI, 118 Runs, 2/6 SB, .955 OPS, 151 OPS+
Age 23: .359, 43 hr, 124 RBI, 137 Runs, 5/6 SB, 1.106 OPS, 187 OPS+

Trout, CF
Age 20: .326, 30 hr, 83 RBI, 129 Runs, 49/54 SB, .963 OPS, 168 OPS+
Age 21: .323, 27 hr, 97 RBI, 109 Runs, 33/40 SB, .988 OPS, 179 OPS+
Age 22: .287, 36 hr, 111 RBI, 115 Runs, 16/18 SB, .939 OPS, 167 OPS+

Roady, I thought I'd help fill in some missing information for you, so everyone is seeing your side of the discussion on fair footing.

Considering the era of play goes beyond simply looking at PEDs. The game itself has changed, with 2011 representing a distinct shift back toward pitching.

In 2001, the top-five in HR totals were:

Barry Bonds 73
Sammy Sosa 64
Luis Gonzalez 57
Alex Rodriguez 52
Shawn Green 49

In 2011, the top-five in HR totals were:

Jose Bautista 43
Curtis Granderson 41
Matt Kemp 39
Mark Teixeira 39
Prince Fielder 38

Bautista's league leading 43 HRs in 2011 would have been good for 10th in 2001.

Add to the above the previously mentioned aspects of speed (incorporated into base running and defense), age and lineup, and I posit again that you can't simply say Pujols' numbers in his first three seasons were better:

I agree with you. Pujols' numbers his first three seasons are better than Trouts and he already is guaranteed HOF enshrinement.

Context means everything, Roady.

I don't even like Trout (strikes out WAY too much and his 2012 highlight catches make fans overvalue his actual defensive ability), but I can't say his numbers were worse (except specifically power counting stats taken out of context from the era) than Pujols for their first three seasons.

[vonbrandingo]

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Hi Rod, yeah, I think that is about right. But I know some would probably push that timeline back to like pre-1970, similar to the card market cut off. It just seems to me that given the price levels GU baseball items from the 50s and even 60s have gotten to now, that some of the 70s era items are stupid cheap by comparison. Again, just my opinion, but bats/jerseys for players like Fisk, Bench, Schmidt, Carew, Brett and early Rice, Murray, Ozzie, Molitor and Yount should continue to move on up here over time.

That is some good insight. Thanks.

[Roady]

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Pujols' early numbers while competing against steroid users, including pitchers, are even more impressive to me. Not sure why steroid users hitting 70 HR's makes a difference when looking at Pujols' numbers.

[earlywynnfan]

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Buy vintage, buy vintage, buy vintage is the point across most sports. If those numbers quoted on current NFL Auctions are true, then that is unreal.
And to answer the original post, I consider overpriced anything that I get outbid on at auction or can't afford, though that is just when I am carrying around sour grapes.

Ben, from seeing your pickups, I find it hard to believe you get outbid very often!

ken

[Nnunnari]

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Andrew Jones I just don't get it.

Dontrelle Willis once again I do not get it.

Is this a joke? You can find these guys' stuff for under $50.

[Nnunnari]

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David Ortiz. Can't understand the premium on his items considering his PED allegations.

Really? An all-time fan favorite in one of the biggest baseball markets who won three world series titles and will eventually have his number retired by the organization and you can't believe his bats sell for around $1k?

Get over the steroid thing Roady. Look at what the current Bonds bat is doing in Grey Flannel. Should people not pay a premium for Bonds and McGwire?

[carbonrosa]

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Did anyone here pay those overpriced George Springer or what's his name from the Astros, Singleton bats and jerseys when they came up on mlb auctions when they debuted? I remember seeing them go for around $6-$8000
How about Wil Myers stuff? His bats were selling for a premium when he came up and won ROY. Now everything that comes up sells for cheap.

[Phil316]

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Is this a joke? You can find these guys' stuff for under $50.

No joke and I am not talking wristbands or batting gloves I am talking jerseys.