Won an auction - now I need your opinions

[aallanson]

Re: Won an auction - now I need your opinions

I understand. And feel that the seller should have a detailed description. And I feel that there was some deception. I hope it works out for you in future bidding.

Thank you, Stanley. I appreciate that. i don't think the seller intended to deceive me, but I do wish he had included all the pertinent information in his listing. I hope he adds in the fact that he washed the jersey when he relists it for sale.

[SBRBACK]

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I wasn't comparing jerseys, I was comparing people wearing and washing jerseys. No that does not mean that the jerseys have no value, it means you altered the jersey from its original state and should of mentioned that. If you bought the jersey washed then so be it. If you altered the jersey you should of mentioned that in the eBay auction. If you were buying a game used fielding glove and I used it for a summer, is it the same value? Not even close, but it's the same glove. Still has value just not the same value. Wouldn't you want to know that I used it(altered it's original state). If you had a brand new item and got dirt on it by dropping it, wouldn't you mention that in an auction? You can compare it to any situation, describe the item to the best of your ability. You might get 10-20 collectors on here that say they wouldn't mind but the majority would want to know that the jersey is washed.

If you were to use a glove over summer, that would add second-hand usage to the item. I wouldn't put washing a jersey in same category as its common practice for a team to do so if they decide to use it in multiple games, the same reason I assume team repairs are done. And let's not forget that prior to bidding on the jersey he was fine with my description. It wasn't until he looked at the auction photos and noticed the difference and to add to that, the auction description made no mention of it being "un-washed". I let the seller know that myself, after he asked, after he already purchased the jersey.

[SBRBACK]

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Here's another question and answer: Would I have made an offer on the jersey had I known that it would be impossible to photomatch it because the second owner of the jersey washed the jersey after receiving it and didn't disclose that information on his auction when he listed it for sale? The answer is, again, no.

If you had done your research and asked questions, I would have let you know before-hand. Also, every listing including one of my own where if a jersey is unwashed, it would be listed as "unwashed". Never in my experience of collecting jerseys have a just assumed a jersey comes unwashed. It might be common now, but it is usually included in the listing if it is unwashed, not implied.

[aallanson]

Re: Won an auction - now I need your opinions

If you were to use a glove over summer, that would add second-hand usage to the item. I wouldn't put washing a jersey in same category as its common practice for a team to do so if they decide to use it in multiple games, the same reason I assume team repairs are done. And let's not forget that prior to bidding on the jersey he was fine with my description. It wasn't until he looked at the auction photos and noticed the difference and to add to that, the auction description made no mention of it being "un-washed". I let the seller know that myself, after he asked, after he already purchased the jersey.

What you let me know in your response to my inquiry was that I was "a moron," a "joke boy," and also that it "was a shame that I didn't get to bury my nose in (the player's) musk." Let's not pretend any different now that other people are reading your words. You didn't mention in your description that you washed the jersey. I asked you what happened to the marks on the jersey since you acquired it at auction. You responded that you "washed the jersey because it was absolutely putrid." Those were your responses.

[SBRBACK]

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Now now, lets not pretend that you did not call me a joke before I threw anything at you... But anyway, are we not discussing the actual ethics of my listing? I am putting my opinion in as its my right.

[aallanson]

Re: Won an auction - now I need your opinions

If you had done your research and asked questions, I would have let you know before-hand. Also, every listing including one of my own where if a jersey is unwashed, it would be listed as "unwashed". Never in my experience of collecting jerseys have a just assumed a jersey comes unwashed. It might be common now, but it is usually included in the listing if it is unwashed, not implied.

I have to guess what you did to your item? Or maybe you were hoping to sell it without disclosing that you washed it. NFL auctions received it unwashed and subsequently sold it that way. The auction house sold it unwashed. You received it unwashed. You washed it. Then you listed it for sale and didn't mention that fact.

[aallanson]

Re: Won an auction - now I need your opinions

Now now, lets not pretend that you did not call me a joke before I threw anything at you... But anyway, are we not discussing the actual ethics of my listing? I am putting my opinion in as its my right.

I said "what a joke." I did not call you a joke. The only flippant comment I made was me saying, "you probably wore it too."

[SBRBACK]

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I have to guess what you did to your item? Or maybe you were hoping to sell it without disclosing that you washed it. NFL auctions received it unwashed and subsequently sold it that way. The auction house sold it unwashed. You received it unwashed. You washed it. Then you listed it for sale and didn't mention that fact.

Listen if you would have asked I would have told you. My listing even states to message me with any questions you may have. I am not a poster to this forum so I guess I don't know washing is bad, all I know is that you bought a game worn jersey with all correct authentication and as far as I'm concerned game usage. In fact I had another jersey up that I had to specify as being "un-washed".

[aallanson]

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Listen if you would have asked I would have told you. My listing even states to message me with any questions you may have. I am not a poster to this forum so I guess I don't know washing is bad, all I know is that you bought a game worn jersey with all correct authentication and as far as I'm concerned game usage. In fact I had another jersey up that I had to specify as being "un-washed".

I shouldn't have to ask if you did something to an item that you are selling. You should voluntarily disclose that information because you are the one who knows that you did it. You say you mentioned that one of your other listings you mentioned that the jersey was unwashed. So why wouldn't you put into this listing that you washed the jersey? "Don't worry about the putrid smell, boys. I washed this jersey the second I got it," would have sufficed.

[SBRBACK]

Re: Won an auction - now I need your opinions

I have to guess what you did to your item? Or maybe you were hoping to sell it without disclosing that you washed it. NFL auctions received it unwashed and subsequently sold it that way. The auction house sold it unwashed. You received it unwashed. You washed it. Then you listed it for sale and didn't mention that fact.

I think the problem is that you are assuming every collector shares your/ this forums jersey preservation etiquette. Like a said earlier I don't read or post here so to me it's the same difference perhaps only compromising the ease of photo-matching.

[aallanson]

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I think the problem is that you are assuming every collector shares your/ this forums jersey preservation etiquette. Like a said earlier I don't read or post here so to me it's the same difference perhaps only compromising the ease of photo-matching.

Agree to disagree then.

Re: you not posting here, but it's funny how you mentioned in your message to me on eBay that you "used to post here but haven't in a while." Wonder what your user name here used to be before you responded to this thread under this screen name.

I'm not paying for the jersey. You may as well file your NPB claim with eBay.

[SBRBACK]

Re: Won an auction - now I need your opinions

Agree to disagree then.

Re: you not posting here, but it's funny how you mentioned in your message to me on eBay that you "used to post here but haven't in a while." Wonder what your user name here used to be before you responded to this thread under this screen name.

I'm not paying for the jersey. You may as well file your NPB claim with eBay.

Ok Guy I figured such, never tried forcing you to pay me. Just another eBayer buying on impulse and regretting it.

[jbean023]

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I think the problem is that you are assuming every collector shares your/ this forums jersey preservation etiquette. Like a said earlier I don't read or post here so to me it's the same difference perhaps only compromising the ease of photo-matching.

It's not that everyone shares the same thoughts or preservation. Im not comparing the wearing a glove to washing, I'm comparing altering an item as a collector. If you get something autographed after the fact you explain it in a listing, if you had a bat cracked in 2 and had a repair job done to the bat you mention it, if a jersey has had a patch restored it's mentioned, it's your jersey wash it and wear it 100 times but when you go to sell it mention that. That's all I'm saying.

[ndevlin]

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Asked and I would've told you? That sounds like something Mears told me a few yrs ago-- "Oh well if you would've asked we would've told you the bat had deadwood on the back."

I shouldn't need to ask. List it in the description and show a photo.

[SBRBACK]

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Asked and I would've told you? That sounds like something Mears told me a few yrs ago-- "Oh well if you would've asked we would've told you the bat had deadwood on the back."

I shouldn't need to ask. List it in the description and show a photo.

Jesus, well apparently it must be mentioned. Honestly guys, I really don't understand why it matters. I know you guys have purchased game used items from older players and would've been surprised to see it as un-washed. I had thought JoSportsCo had mainstreamed the practice of selling them as such just to market them as more "direct from the field". For example, I would be surprised to find, lets say a Shaun Alexander jersey that was un-washed. Plus, aren't alterations are made to make things a appear more abused and battered rather than washing them and erasing photo matching evidence? Regardless, I will include it as being washed when I resist it. I guess thats all I have to say.