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  • Jags Fan Dan
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 1638

    #31
    Re: Insuring your collection, suggestions?

    To clarify, I am an insurance adjuster and have been for over 8 years, I know just about every homeowners policy that is written pretty well. I also know that reading an insurance policy probably seems like reading a foreign language for most people. Here is what you guys need to do before you go throwing money at some special coverage for your collection. This is going to be long, so all apologies in advance.

    1. Look at the coverage you have. It may very well be sufficient. Here is how you do this: First, ballpark the value of your collection based on what documentation of value you think you could provide if it were gone. Ballpark the value of the rest of the stuff in your house (furniture, clothing, electronics, etc.). Is your Personal Property limit high enough to cover it all? If so, you may be fine, but keep reading. If not, you may need to increase your Personal property limits, or it may be a moot point. Read on.

    2. Look at your policy. Yuck. It sucks to try to read it. But here is what you need to look for: Find the section titled "Special Limits On Certain Personal Property" or something similar. Read it. It is not in Greek. There may or may not be a limitation on sports memorabilia. I am insured through Farmers (I do not work for Farmers) and in their "NEXT GENERATION HOMEOWNERS POLICY" I can tell you, as a claims adjuster, there is no limit on sports memorabilia, only on "Cards and comic books". So if you have valuable sportscards you will likely need to purchase additional coverage. But there is no limit on my bats, jerseys, etc.

    3. Next, find the section of your policy titled "Property Not Covered" or "Types of Property Not Insured". It should be just before or after the last section you looked at regarding special limits. You will likely not find anything about sports memorabilia in there. Remember, if it is not listed in either of these two sections, the property is not excluded or limited in any way under the policy.

    4. What do you need to insure your collection against? If it is flood or earthquake, you likely will need to purchase additional coverage as nearly all homeowners policies exclude these two things. Flood means a real flood (lake overflowing, river or stream overflowing), not a pipe burst or water heater blowing up, those are almost always covered losses. Sump overflows are typically excluded and they are not a "flood", so if your stuff is on the floor of a basement, you may need to purchase additional coverage.

    Remember, in insurance policies, ambiguities or omissions are sided with the policy holder. If the policy does not say your items are limited or not covered, you're good. And most of the time, your PE limit is going to be ridiculously high so you may not need to increase it.

    If any of this is unclear or you have questions, fire away. I will help all I can.

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    • cjclong
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 936

      #32
      Re: Insuring your collection, suggestions?

      If you insure your collection I would suggest you photograph or video all the items. Also good to make copies of any paper work you have that shows value. Then put pictures or video and any paper work in a place that is safe so if there is a fire or some other damage it won't be destroyed. A safety deposit box is a good place if you have one. That way if you need to make a claim you will have proof of collection and value if the insurance company contests the value.

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      • karamaxjoe
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2005
        • 651

        #33
        Re: Insuring your collection, suggestions?

        Originally posted by Jags Fan Dan
        To clarify, I am an insurance adjuster and have been for over 8 years, I know just about every homeowners policy that is written pretty well. I also know that reading an insurance policy probably seems like reading a foreign language for most people. Here is what you guys need to do before you go throwing money at some special coverage for your collection. This is going to be long, so all apologies in advance.

        1. Look at the coverage you have. It may very well be sufficient. Here is how you do this: First, ballpark the value of your collection based on what documentation of value you think you could provide if it were gone. Ballpark the value of the rest of the stuff in your house (furniture, clothing, electronics, etc.). Is your Personal Property limit high enough to cover it all? If so, you may be fine, but keep reading. If not, you may need to increase your Personal property limits, or it may be a moot point. Read on.

        2. Look at your policy. Yuck. It sucks to try to read it. But here is what you need to look for: Find the section titled "Special Limits On Certain Personal Property" or something similar. Read it. It is not in Greek. There may or may not be a limitation on sports memorabilia. I am insured through Farmers (I do not work for Farmers) and in their "NEXT GENERATION HOMEOWNERS POLICY" I can tell you, as a claims adjuster, there is no limit on sports memorabilia, only on "Cards and comic books". So if you have valuable sportscards you will likely need to purchase additional coverage. But there is no limit on my bats, jerseys, etc.

        3. Next, find the section of your policy titled "Property Not Covered" or "Types of Property Not Insured". It should be just before or after the last section you looked at regarding special limits. You will likely not find anything about sports memorabilia in there. Remember, if it is not listed in either of these two sections, the property is not excluded or limited in any way under the policy.

        4. What do you need to insure your collection against? If it is flood or earthquake, you likely will need to purchase additional coverage as nearly all homeowners policies exclude these two things. Flood means a real flood (lake overflowing, river or stream overflowing), not a pipe burst or water heater blowing up, those are almost always covered losses. Sump overflows are typically excluded and they are not a "flood", so if your stuff is on the floor of a basement, you may need to purchase additional coverage.

        Remember, in insurance policies, ambiguities or omissions are sided with the policy holder. If the policy does not say your items are limited or not covered, you're good. And most of the time, your PE limit is going to be ridiculously high so you may not need to increase it.

        If any of this is unclear or you have questions, fire away. I will help all I can.
        I have the exact same Farmers policy. I can't wait to read it tonight. Thanks Dan!
        Mike

        Looking for any White Sox jersey from Richie Zisk.

        My website - http://www.freewebs.com/karamaxjoe/

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        ~ Bill Veeck

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        • justinwc80
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 492

          #34
          Re: Insuring your collection, suggestions?

          This is whats great about the forum, all the various backgrounds and expertise, thanks guys!

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          • Jags Fan Dan
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 1638

            #35
            Re: Insuring your collection, suggestions?

            Originally posted by cjclong
            If you insure your collection I would suggest you photograph or video all the items. Also good to make copies of any paper work you have that shows value. Then put pictures or video and any paper work in a place that is safe so if there is a fire or some other damage it won't be destroyed. A safety deposit box is a good place if you have one. That way if you need to make a claim you will have proof of collection and value if the insurance company contests the value.
            This is a great point that I left off. If by some chance you should have a claim, documentation of what you had is key. Adjusters certainly understand if your house burns down, you may not have paperwork. But photos uploaded to a photo sharing site like Snapfish or any of the others could sure come in handy in that event.

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            • nogloss
              Junior Member
              • May 2009
              • 27

              #36
              Re: Insuring your collection, suggestions?

              Do make sure you compare before you add to your homeowners. The quote I received from my homeowners was 3 to 4 times higher than by taking out a policy through CIS. As stated earlier, I can not vouch for how they might handle a claim (Knock on wood).

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              • stdrwt11
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 251

                #37
                Insurance for items

                Anyone have insurance on their items or is it covered in your house insurance? I do not own too many GU items but I have seen some people who own thousands of dollars worth of stuff. I do however collect autos and was wondering if collectors get items insured? I am thinking about do so for my items just in case. Thanks.

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                • CampWest
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 1507

                  #38
                  Re: Insurance for items

                  check this thread

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                  Wes Campbell

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                  • anatfan09
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 212

                    #39
                    Re: Insurance for items

                    American National Property & Casualty is a best kept insurance secret. I know if you go claim free with them they will refund 25% of your annual auto + home premiums. ANPAC.COM
                    Also there were some good suggestions in the other thread about insurance but the only way to guarantee your company is going to pay out the full value of your high end items would be to have them listed under "scheduled personal property", the same place you would put your wife's wedding ring. For example the policy would list "game used Ichiro bat $13,000", "game used Cal Ripken Jr. jersey $4,000".. etc etc.
                    This way you & the company have agreed to insure the item for that value, they would typically request a appraisal or research the value of comparable items. You would also complete the scheduled personal property form & sign off on the value of each item & the total amount you are going to schedule.
                    Then there will be no second guessing in the event of a claim.

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                    • xpress34
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2648

                      #40
                      Re: Insurance for items

                      I have a very good insurance agent and my Insurance is with American Family. Talking with my agent, I can do a 'scheduled' policy where I list every item individually and pay accordingly which also means I have to update every time I sell or add.

                      The other option is to buy a blanket policy and keep a schedule of values... then, if I get robbed, we use the schedule up to the blanket policy limit OR if I had a fire and lost everything, it pays the blanket policy in it's entirety.

                      I have been working for about 2 months on photographing, logging and scheduling every item - cards, bats, jerseys, etc, comic books, artwork, wife's jewelery, auto'd CDs, etc so I can come up with a number for a blanket policy.

                      The other advantage of a blanket policy, is you can add and remove items from your collection without constant updates unless the value of your collection goes over your blanket limit. If it is under the limit and you had a fire and lost it all, you still get paid the blanket in full.

                      Hope this helps.

                      All the best -

                      Chris

                      P.S. - also per AmFam rules, since I have been a 'dealer' of sorts (shows, eBay, etc) for over 5 years, I don't need special 'appraisals' for my items. They will accept the values I place on my items.

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                      • jgoldstein2000
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2008
                        • 287

                        #41
                        Insurance?

                        I live in a rental in NYC so I don't have homeowners insurance (does home owners cover memorabilia?). My renters insurance wouldn't cover my memorabilia because they couldn't determine a value for all of my stuff.

                        How do you guys insure your collection (if you do)?
                        Always looking for great bats from members of the Red Sox HOF.

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                        • Klattsy
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 685

                          #42
                          Re: Insurance?

                          In Australia, when a category of belongings it is worth over a certain amount ($2k I think), we have to nominate the category (i.e. "memorabilia" or "cds" ect) and then make an assumption on how much it is worth. This will then affect our premium. It is all part of the household insurance (covers actual house and contents). We are supposed to have photographic evidence/receipts to back everything up.

                          How they go about determining the cost of replacing afterwards is what I want to know, how can you put a price on items that may only be 1 offs?

                          Mark.

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                          • Jags Fan Dan
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 1638

                            #43
                            Re: Insurance?

                            Check out this thread. Also, please know, if the property is not specifically excluded or limited in the policy, it is covered.

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                            • joelsabi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 3073

                              #44
                              Re: Insurance for your collection?

                              Anyone have experience using this company and can recommend it?

                              Regards,
                              Joel S.
                              joelsabi @ gmail.com
                              Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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                              • stitzerfse
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2008
                                • 168

                                #45
                                Re: Insurance for your collection?

                                I work in insurance and would just caution everyone on using collectinsure.com. Reason 1- they're an agency/broker and aren't actually the one's writing the policy. Reason 2- they allow you to purchase a policy right off of the web site which means a) they're shopping carriers after the fact to get the cheapest policy and the extra dough is theirs; b) you have no choice as to which insurance carrier is going to cover you and policy terms/coverage options are not all created equal.

                                Insurance is much like a COA in the autographed/GU world. It's really only as good as the company backing it up. With what some of us have invested in our collections, I recommend taking the time to know that the insurance provider backing your policy is financially sound, carries favorable policy terms, and will be there for the long haul. If not, all you bought is an expensive piece of paper.

                                From personal experience, I highly recommend finding an agent that offers Chubb.

                                Doug

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