Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

[seanbaseball]

Re: Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

Oh and shoelaces? Yes as your adding a non original item to make the cleats look all original.

[LarryWalkerFan]

Re: Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

And getting back on track...

Did the Cardinals or McGwire regularly (or even sparsely) use retail cleats? Jeff? Anyone knowledgeable about the Cards?

[LarryWalkerFan]

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I regularly feel this way reading your posts on this topic.

You feel that my posts about retail cleats being game used is off topic in a thread about game used retail cleats?

[Juicyfruit66]

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Normally guu doesnt sound like 14 year old facebook feeds, what is going on? Can't everyone discuss a topic properly?

[admin_old]

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I think the original poster has a valid question. Sean, If these are indeed retail cleats, what information do you have on the Cardinals or Mac wearing retail cleats in a game? Or did you sell them as GU because VSA did? I know you're a big cards collector, I think the details would be helpful, especially to others considering cleats.

Btw... Let's stop the personal attacks and discuss the topic. I'm sure people are interested in the tagging and use... since that's what the forum is about.

[seanbaseball]

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I think the original poster has a valid question. Sean, If these are indeed retail cleats, what information do you have on the Cardinals or Mac wearing retail cleats in a game? Or did you sell them as GU because VSA did? I know you're a big cards collector, I think the details would be helpful, especially to others considering cleats.

Btw... Let's stop the personal attacks and discuss the topic. I'm sure people are interested in the tagging and use... since that's what the forum is about.

Look I bought these cleats in a big collection of 400 items. The original owner bought a lot of cleats and knew that area well. I sold them as game used cleats as they had authentication. I do not collect cleats and own ZERO. I do not know about MAC specifically but I do know plenty of Cardinal players that wear cleats that were sent to them and I doubt MAC was an exception to this practice. The team does not buy the cleats for the players and the players often sell their cleats through some sort of agent after they are done with them. I know Molina does. The Cardinals never get cleats to resell as the players own them and do with them as they wish. I have been given this information direct from Cardinals Authentics store. That is all the knowledge I have on Cards cleats. Any implication that I sold something wrong as a way to make $100 is bull. I sold the cleats as game worn with information from a cleat guy and an LOA. Ive heard zero that tells me Im wrong except from a member who questions them but has offered ZERO information or evidence to the contrary. I shall once again attempt to move on....................

[admin_old]

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I don't think he is accusing you of anything, at least what I see here. He's asking questions. I think members can draw their own conclusion at this point, based on whatever cleat knowledge they have. You're certainly free to move on.

Doug

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

I don't think he is accusing you of anything, at least what I see here. He's asking questions. I think members can draw their own conclusion at this point, based on whatever cleat knowledge they have. You're certainly free to move on.

Doug

Poster states "I was looking for info, but your responses were unnecessarily defensive, which made me question the validity of the item."

Sounds like an accusation to me.....

[seanbaseball]

Re: Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

Poster states "I was looking for info, but your responses were unnecessarily defensive, which made me question the validity of the item."

Sounds like an accusation to me.....

Yes. Thank you! Also interesting that a couple people who defended my character (without profanity ) had their posts deleted. One just merely stated that he had good buying experiences with me and that he could see me going out of my way to do the right thing........wonder how that violated the forum rules?????

[Juicyfruit66]

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Mine got deleted for just trying to keep things civil....i think....

[admin_old]

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Yes. Thank you! Also interesting that a couple people who defended my character (without profanity ) had their posts deleted. One just merely stated that he had good buying experiences with me and that he could see me going out of my way to do the right thing........wonder how that violated the forum rules?????

I deleted their posts, because they reference other deleted parts of the conversation. I also deleted personal attacks and off topic banter. I went back through and undeleted a few. Just keep it on topic. Thanks.

[gorilla777]

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Yeah, well I see you deleted Costanza, the real travesty. It's the Summer of George, you know...

[sox83cubs84]

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Yeah, well I see you deleted Costanza, the real travesty. It's the Summer of George, you know...

It's OK, Ben. Costanza can return when we get closer to Festivus. Then he can use the Airing of the Grievances to discuss his deletion.

Dave Miedema

[panthrotc]

Re: Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

Here they are

That autograph is a fake. Under completed eBay search "mark mcgwire cleat" you will see a 2000 cleat that sold for 268$ in march. McGwire gu cleats from 98-01 were always signed in black sharpie. The signature in question is an extremely bad attempt at his signature.

[LarryWalkerFan]

Re: Retail cleats "game used" by McGwire?

That autograph is a fake. Under completed eBay search "mark mcgwire cleat" you will see a 2000 cleat that sold for 268$ in march. McGwire gu cleats from 98-01 were always signed in black sharpie. The signature in question is an extremely bad attempt at his signature.

The seller felt the autograph was no good. That's why he removed it.

JSA passed the signature but if it was a good one it was awful. Signed cleats sell for much much more than unsigned so if the sig was no good I believe it was just to enhance the value as opposed to creating a fully fake item. And for what they sold for u would be hard pressed to go to a shoe store and buy nice cleats! The cleats were altered when they were signed and i removed the alteration.

He didn't disclose the removal, as he felt it wasn't necessary.

...These cleats werent worn by Mcgwire with a signature on them. The signature was added either by Mcgwire or someone else. If I sell a car that had a good scratch and i buff it out or touch it up do I have to disclose that there used to be a scratch right here? No. How about if I sell a home and dont disclose that I cleaned up a stain on the carpet? Hopefully u get the idea. Bottom line is that I did the honorable thing and removed what I thought was a bad signature which resulted in me making less money. I could have sold with the signature and just stood behind the JSA letter and I guarantee I would have sold for more money. My final word is: I dont care anymore and am moving on. LOL.

Here's a nice legit example on Heritage:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/others/2000-s-mark-mcgwire-game-worn-signed-st-louis-cardinals-cleats/a/7190-82607.s#