Is Lampson in hiding?

[sylbry]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

At least with those two LOA's he didn't conclude his findings by saying "Lou Lampson LOA!" like he does on others you see. How tacky is that?

[Utopian2630]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

Just a note on the Bradshaw jersey. While the auction listing says it is an 'early 80's Steelers home jersey', the Lampson LOA says that the jersey is a 1983 Steelers home jersey. However, in 1983, the Steelers wore a 50th season patch on the front of the jersey. The LOA mentiones nothing about remnants of a patch being there.

[rose14]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

Lou Lampson will always find work as long as Vintage Authentics, American Memorabilia and Mastros among the others continue to use this guy for their authenticating. These auction houses are the main problem in putting these bad items in the hobby. They have the control over those items but the allmighty dollar clouds their thinking. Mastros is considered the best in the business but I can't explain why they continue to use this guy with all the baggage that Lampson carries. Mistakes are going to be made with anyone but Lampson's go beyond mistakes. His authenticating could be considered criminal as he has signed off on so many bad items. Any auction that comes up now I look at two things. The title and the authenticator. If it comes with just a Lou Lampson COA I stop and move one. Sure he may have authenticated alot of legitimate items but as of lately more often than not that does not seem to be the case.

There used to be a time that if Mastros had something I was interested in I would have never questioned the authenticity of it but now I wouldn't trust a single thing that they auction without doing extensive legwork myself.

[hblakewolf]

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[quote=Utopian2630;34668]Just a note on the Bradshaw jersey. While the auction listing says it is an 'early 80's Steelers home jersey', the Lampson LOA says that the jersey is a 1983 Steelers home jersey. However, in 1983, the Steelers wore a 50th season patch on the front of the jersey. The LOA mentiones nothing about remnants of a patch being there.[/quote]

If it was possible to ask Lampson about this, one can only guess what his repsonse would be:

1. "Bradshaw did not like the look of the patch, and the team never affixed it to his jersey"

2. "It was common for quarterbacks to remove the patch, as they viewed them as distractions"

3. "The equipment manager was told to cut-back on the post game spread, and as such, could not afford to add the patch to every jersey"

4. "It is common practice for jerseys to be used in following-seasons, and this is the case with this particular jersey"

5. "The patch was most likely ripped from the jersey during play, and the stitch holes have amazingly closed over the last 14 years".

Did I miss anything?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[allstarsplus]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

If it was possible to ask Lampson about this, one can only guess what his repsonse would be:

1. "Bradshaw did not like the look of the patch, and the team never affixed it to his jersey"

2. "It was common for quarterbacks to remove the patch, as they viewed them as distractions"

3. "The equipment manager was told to cut-back on the post game spread, and as such, could not afford to add the patch to every jersey"

4. "It is common practice for jerseys to be used in following-seasons, and this is the case with this particular jersey"

5. "The patch was most likely ripped from the jersey during play, and the stitch holes have amazingly closed over the last 14 years".

Did I miss anything?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Howard & Utopian2630 - He gave that jersey an 8.5 Rating based on use and a repair? We all know that a kid that took a home economics course in 8th grade could figure out how to dummy that up.

My guess is MEARS would rate it an A5 since it lacks provenance and the questionable patch (per Utopian2630 research). Can anyone find any photo evidence?

The amazing thing to me is the prices that buyers are bidding on these items. These aren't the eBay $1,000 specials---these are going for over $5,000 with Buyer's premiums.

Take the criteria listed on the Bettis jersey which he gave a 9.5 Score. Perfect score 4 points for Jersey Characteristics/Identifiers. Perfect score 2 points for Aesthetics/Customizations. Perfect score 2 points for Range of Wear. The last criteria in the 10 point scoring system is for Provenance/Rarity and he gives a 1.5 out of 2. There is NO mention of Provenance. How does he define Rarity? It mentions fabulous game wear. Can't see it in the pictures.

The tagging looks crisp to me. I just don't get it. Fabulous wear? He played in all 16 games in 1993 so this jersey I would think was used for more than 1 game. He also averaged with carries/passes almost 20 touches per game.

http://pics1.edeal.com/images/p2/wl/vintageauth/docs/bettis93gujersLou9-5.pdf

Andrew

[hblakewolf]

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Andrew-
You're questioning the wear, or lack of? I'm extremely surprised that the LOA does not include the usual line that Lampson uses: "Shows typical running back use". I've seen him use this type of insane description on his other LOA's as follows: "Shows typical pitcher's use" "Shows light, but definate pitchers use".

Personally, when I've purchased an entire teams jerseys (i.e., Phillies), there really is not any difference when comparing a right fielders jersey to that of an infielder. Likewise, would the managers jersey show as much use as the first base coach? According to Lampson's LOA's, every type of position results in different wear patterns. I hate to let Lou in on a little secret-when a baseball game ends, the team washes all of the jerseys in the same machine, with the same soap. Unless a player is diving head first into the grass/dirt every game, what type of wear would you expect to see on a pitchers jersey as opposed to a manager or other position player?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[Utopian2630]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

I've attached a picture of Franco Harris featuring the 50th patch I mentioned earlier. I was mistaken in saying that the 50th Season patch was worn in 1983, as it was actually worn in 1982, all apologies for the incorrect information. Nonetheless, I've attached two photos of Bradshaw, one from 1981 and one from 1980. The sleeve length in the attached pictures look a bit longer in th than the sleeves in the jersey from VA. Also interesting to note is that Bradshaw played only in ONE game in 1983 (one quarter for that matter) so extensive use on a Bradshaw jersey from 1983 doesn't seem likely.

[lund6771]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

There is no question that it's all about $....in the late 80's there were a lot of nice pieces floating around...Collecting really was fun!!!...when people found out that this stuff was worth $, some really nice pieces were coming out of the attic for sale...nowadays the same dealers keep selling the same garbage...all the nice stuff has virtually dried up...gone in collections...these dealers have no other way to make a living so they keep selling the same trash ...there's gotta be more Kobe jerseys out there than DAYS he's been alive!!!...

Lampson has a target on him bigger than the State of Texas...we will continue to bitch about him, but I'm telling ya, the idiot will be going down...they always do...it's never a question of if, but when!!!

[bigtime59]

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So, if I sent Lou! a photo! of this! jersey! do you think he'd authenticate! it?
(BTW, this jersey doesn't actually exist. It's a photo of a bobo'ed Albert Belle jersey that I photoshopped into a Ripken St Pats!)

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

It's a photo of a bobo'ed Albert Belle jersey that I photoshopped into a Ripken St Pats!

Good job, Mark. However, an Authentic St. Pat's Day Orioles shirt must have this sleeve patch...

[CollectGU]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

I've attached a picture of Franco Harris featuring the 50th patch I mentioned earlier. I was mistaken in saying that the 50th Season patch was worn in 1983, as it was actually worn in 1982, all apologies for the incorrect information. Nonetheless, I've attached two photos of Bradshaw, one from 1981 and one from 1980. The sleeve length in the attached pictures look a bit longer in th than the sleeves in the jersey from VA. Also interesting to note is that Bradshaw played only in ONE game in 1983 (one quarter for that matter) so extensive use on a Bradshaw jersey from 1983 doesn't seem likely.

Now this is one of the problems. You' basically have people ripping on a jersey unfairly because you jumped the gun and posted incorrect info. I have no problem ripping into authenticators when they get it wrong, but make sure you have the proper info., or you are just basically doing the same thing we complain about...

Dave

[ripkengamers]

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No need for Photoshop Mark...........here's the REAL Ripken St. Patty jersey with Lampson's exhaustive authenticity!

[both-teams-played-hard]

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...I have seen first hand this style of St. Pats Day jerseys in storage at their Florida facilities...

Dan, I truly hope you get your money back. Your jersey (with the help of this forum) has reached cult-like status and a monetary value of it's own.
The LOA is filled with priceless quotes! No matter what, its a heckuva conversation piece and the poster child for the "Down-With-Lampson-Society".

[Sangy 35]

Re: Is Lampson in hiding?

I've attached a picture of Franco Harris featuring the 50th patch I mentioned earlier. I was mistaken in saying that the 50th Season patch was worn in 1983, as it was actually worn in 1982, all apologies for the incorrect information. Nonetheless, I've attached two photos of Bradshaw, one from 1981 and one from 1980. The sleeve length in the attached pictures look a bit longer in th than the sleeves in the jersey from VA. Also interesting to note is that Bradshaw played only in ONE game in 1983 (one quarter for that matter) so extensive use on a Bradshaw jersey from 1983 doesn't seem likely.

You are correct about Bradshaw only playing in one game in 1983. What makes this jersey even more hilarious is this, the game was played in New York, against the Jets, and the Steelers were in their road whites that day. I'll try to find a link to a pic and throw it up.

[otismalibu]

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You are correct about Bradshaw only playing in one game in 1983. What makes this jersey even more hilarious is this, the game was played in New York, against the Jets, and the Steelers were in their road whites that day. I'll try to find a link to a pic and throw it up.

I believe the date of that game was Dec. 10, 1983. It was Bradshaw's last game with the Steelers. I don't think he even finished that game. Was that the laast Jets game at Shea stadium. I remember people taking stuff out of the stadium.