Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

[camarokids]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

I received the messsage as well on all links provided on this thread.

I think that whoever has the proof of wrong doing should contact the FBI and inform them about the fraud . If they ship USPS ? The Postmaster Generals investigative arm would get involved . From what I have read ,it doesn't look good for them . If it is true ,then they are idiot, scum bag, con-artists that deserve to be in jail .

Then they will have to play a different kind-of game and get passed around like a $20.00 *hore from Linebacker sized men .

[CollectGU]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Andrew,

I can't speak about other auction houses, but I know that AMI is no longer relying on Lou as their sole authenticator. When an item comes in, it is first looked at my staff members who have experience dealing with gameused collectibles. If there are glaring problems or if the item shows no wear, it is returned before any authenticator looks at it. If it gets through depending on the item, it may be looked at by multiple authenticators including Bob Case for vintage baseball and football, Rich Ellis for hockey, Denny Eskin for Pittsburgh Pirates and Steelers and gloves, and Lou. AMI has also reached out at times to some forum members like Rob Steinmetz and some other authorities like Ed Dolan for opinions. Ther are many items that come in with Lou's LOA's from other auction houses that are rejected by AMI. I have had this happen to me first hand. It is not perfect but they are getting much better with each auction. Finally, those items that do make it through that are found to be incorrect are being pulled from the auction.

I wouldn't expect many auction houses to be responding to the forum anymore. The GUU forum has now become an auction house and will be in direct comptetition with other auction houses.

Regards,
Dave

[reed1216]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

I think all this is not just a black eye for auction houses like Historic, but for everyone involved in this arena of collecting. Holding those responsible for the fraud that is rampant is just a slice of the problem. The overall effect of this hits all of us, from dealer to collector.

I have reached a point where I am having a great deal of trouble purchasing anything that doesn't come directly from a team and is documented as such. Faking wear, adding accessories to equipment and the abundance of game issued items provide me with enough of a concern to beware. There are dealers of the highest calliber that access stuff straight from the teams. However, five or ten years from now, when I might wish to resell the items I may buy today, who's to say that these items, if they lack sufficient documentaion, won't be viewed as every bit as legit as the items bought by turtlegirl and resold by Historic??

There is no way that I will purchase an item that is authenticated by Lampson, unless there is a team cert. as well. Likewise, there will have to be a flock of pigs flying overhead, before I bid on anything offered by Historic Auctions. Given what has transpired with Mastro, despite having positive experiences with them in the past, this buffoonery that has taken place with the Winslow helmet is too big of a deal to ignore.

I absolutely agree that these auction houses will not adjust their business policies untill they get hit in the wallet. The thing is that untill we collectors adjust our buying habits, we will all pay indirectly. I could list 20 game worn items over the past 90 days that I have passed on because of the lack of team documentation. I should further note that every one of them has tempted me and the vast majority of them have been offered (or are currently being offered) by dealers that I consider to be of the highest integrity.

I would hope that the dealers that purchase from teams increase their efforts to insist on team LOAs when completing their transactions. That will help the overall situation, as well as themselves. First, it will help to differentiate the real from the fake and secondly, it will add value to the items they are selling. It would also discredit the fraudulent portion of the hobby, as has been the case with non-Steiner post 1990 Yankee stuff.

Lastly, while the auction houses like Historic may not feel this forum is significant enough to merrit attention, I would caution them that word travels fast. I am 37 years old and have collected for over 30 years, beginning with baseball cards and gravitating towards game used stuff. I joined this site, just a few months ago and now rely heavily upon it for information that may protect me from making ignorant purchases, as well as gaining a better understanding for the items I currently own. I would expect the membership here to continue to grow and the "significance" to continue to increase.

[allstarsplus]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Andrew,

I know that AMI is no longer relying on Lou as their sole authenticator.

I wouldn't expect many auction houses to be responding to the forum anymore. The GUU forum has now become an auction house and will be in direct comptetition with other auction houses.

Regards,
Dave

Dave - Firstly, it doesn't matter if Lou is a lead or secondary authenticator. If Lou is authenticating---I am boycotting. Simple end of story.

Second, if the reason AMI all of a sudden won't respond to Eric because GUU is a competitor in the auction business then what happened prior to a month ago before GUU got into the auction business. When was the last time Victor responded himself to a Post?????

I see smart Auction Houses like Robert Edwards and others grasping the power of eBay and working with them instead of discarding them as a competitor.

If you are serious about your competitor statement, I think you have to look at the Forum portion of GUU as a mutually exclusive entity from the Auction portion which I truly believe it is.

Andrew

[kingjammy24]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

an odd little thing..

when you look up the domain info for:
lelands.com
mastronet.com
robertedwardsauctions.com
greyflannelauctions.com
bricolsportsauction.com
americanmemorabilia.com
gameuseduniverse.com

they all list the registrants name, phone number and mailing address of the business.

historicauctions.com is the only auction house i can see that pays for the domain registrar to hide all of their information. their domain info doesn't even show a registrant's name!

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=historicauctions.com

what's next.. a p.o. box and an unlisted phone number for a speedy getaway when things get hot? i've never seen a business that goes to such lengths to hide information about itself. then again, i've never seen a business that's banned an entire forum of over 1000 members before either. that's some great marketing!

rudy.

[Eric]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

while the auction houses like Historic may not feel this forum is significant enough to merrit attention, I would caution them that word travels fast.

I think it's quite the opposite. They went to quite an extreme to discredit the voices on this site. Instead of answering questions, and working to nurture potential customers, this is the direction they chose to go in. It's a calculated move to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend questions are not being asked about buying items as 'issued' and selling as 'game used,' offering issued score board items and selling them as ' game used,' not revealing conflicts of interest where some items consigned to their last auction were also authenticated by the same person.

It's all calculated. It's an effort to take your money. I'm offended by this behavior and I hope everyone lining their pockets with our cash pays the price and pays for their mistakes.

It all catches up to you. Doesn't matter how righteous you pretend to be. Doesn't matter how well you dodge the questions.

They're still out there.

Instead of answering questions they block the questions. That's enough of an answer for me.

No one is fooled here gentlemen.
Eric

[CollectGU]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Dave - Firstly, it doesn't matter if Lou is a lead or secondary authenticator. If Lou is authenticating---I am boycotting. Simple end of story.

Second, if the reason AMI all of a sudden won't respond to Eric because GUU is a competitor in the auction business then what happened prior to a month ago before GUU got into the auction business. When was the last time Victor responded himself to a Post?????

I see smart Auction Houses like Robert Edwards and others grasping the power of eBay and working with them instead of discarding them as a competitor.

If you are serious about your competitor statement, I think you have to look at the Forum portion of GUU as a mutually exclusive entity from the Auction portion which I truly believe it is.

Andrew

Andrew,

Victor has never responded himself to a post. The forum portion of GUU is not exclusive. Simply, look at how many forum posts recently have ended with forummercials for GUU auctions. I can think of at leats 5 off the top of my head wiithin the last week. This forum has been used at times to puch the auction house it now uses. There is nothing wrong with that, as this is a business, but don't pretend that they are exclusive of one another.

Also, Huggins and Scott who you endorse made a big error on the Leiter jersey they sold as game used and then it ended up on ebay as game used and was sold as such to someone. Why is this misstep any better than Lou's? Because they didn't know and made a mistake? Ignorance is no excuse, and now a bad Leiter is out in the hobby. Should we boycott them? The answer of course is no.

regards,
Dave

[reed1216]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Eric,

Their response, as proposed by another member here, was one of desperation. I suppose you could view it as their going to great lengths to discredit this site, but I think that when the dust settles, all they have really done is go to great lengths to discredit themselves. A provider of goods and services can only progress so far, in the long run, by plugging their ears. I would suggest that the thousands of members of this site are all a little more educated and as a result, will think twice before putting some of their hard earned cash in the pockets of unscrupulous entities.

[RobSteinmetz]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

If it gets through depending on the item, it may be looked at by multiple authenticators including Bob Case for vintage baseball and football, Rich Ellis for hockey, Denny Eskin for Pittsburgh Pirates and Steelers and gloves, and Lou. AMI has also reached out at times to some forum members like Rob Steinmetz and some other authorities like Ed Dolan for opinions.

Forum Members,

Just to clarify the statement above from Dave O'Brien, I have never conducted any formal authentications for American Memorabilia. There have been instances where I have been emailed photographs from employees of AMI asking for my opinion, but I have never had a formal authentication arrangement with American Memorabilia, nor have I ever physically examined an item at their request.

[CollectGU]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Forum Members,

Just to clarify the statement above from Dave O'Brien, I have never conducted any formal authentications for American Memorabilia. There have been instances where I have been emailed photographs from employees of AMI asking for my opinion, but I have never had a formal authentication arrangement with American Memorabilia, nor have I ever physically examined an item at their request.

Rob,

I apologize if I wasn't clear. I simply was trying to state as you wrote above, that they have reached out in good faith for an opinion in the past ...

[yankees159]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Andrew,

1.I can't speak about other auction houses, but I know that AMI is no longer relying on Lou as their sole auuthenticator.

2. I wouldn't expect many auction houses to be responding to the forum anymore. The GUU forum has now become an auction house and will be in direct comptetition with other auction houses.

Regards,
Dave

Hi Dave:

If I may ask a few questions:

1. Are you associated with AMI, for the tone of your post seems to sound like you have intimate knowlege of their business practice?

2.Regarding your question of lack of responses from other Auction houses, why would they respond to ligitimate questions that may result in forcing them to pull an item that is fake? Like I've mentioned in previous posts if you have nothing to hide, this website can be a great benifit to your auction business. When GUF starts auctions, I will feel extremly comfortible bidding on items. However, I would be hesitate to try to sumbit a fradulent items with experts such as Rudy and Eric on the lookout.

So Dave, if your not with AMI and you have legitimate items that you would like to sell, why wouldn't you utilize GUF? You obviously think enough about this website to frequently post your opinions.

This is an awesome vehicle for the collecting community and has the potential to clean up the industry and protect our investments in game used items. If you have integrity, this website is good for your business.

[reed1216]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Here's my email corresponence with James Brown, from Historic Auctions...

Date:Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:02:44 -0700 (PDT)From:"Reed Stewart" <reedstewart2000@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Subject:RE: Game used universeTo:"James Brown" <James@HistoricAuctions.com> #message { overflow:auto; visibility:hidden }
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I was hoping that you could tell me why the links are blocked from game used universe.com? Are there issues over there that I should be aware of? Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Reed

James Brown <James@HistoricAuctions.com> wrote:

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[FONT='Tahoma', 'sans-serif']From:[/FONT][FONT='Tahoma', 'sans-serif'] Reed Stewart [mailto:reedstewart2000@yahoo.com]
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To whom it may concern,



I attempted to browse your auction through game used universe and was unable to do so. Is the block intentional, or is there a glitch in the system?? Please let me know, as I would like to participate in your auction. However, I will not do so if you are trying to distance yourselves from concerned collectors who attempt to protect one another from potentially questionable items.



Thanks in advance,

Reed

I am not expecting an explanation any time soon.

[reed1216]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Well, that was a disaster. In short, he gave me another link to the auction and neglected to address my question. Sorry for the last post.

[CollectGU]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

Hi Dave:

If I may ask a few questions:

1. Are you associated with AMI, for the tone of your post seems to sound like you have intimate knowlege of their business practice?

2.Regarding your question of lack of responses from other Auction houses, why would they respond to ligitimate questions that may result in forcing them to pull an item that is fake? Like I've mentioned in previous posts if you have nothing to hide, this website can be a great benifit to your auction business. When GUF starts auctions, I will feel extremly comfortible bidding on items. However, I would be hesitate to try to sumbit a fradulent items with experts such as Rudy and Eric on the lookout.

So Dave, if your not with AMI and you have legitimate items that you would like to sell, why wouldn't you utilize GUF? You obviously think enough about this website to frequently post your opinions.

This is an awesome vehicle for the collecting community and has the potential to clean up the industry and protect our investments in game used items. If you have integrity, this website is good for your business.

I am associated with AMI as a consignor only. I am not following your second question..And as for consigning to GUU, I may in fact do that once I see that they can bring me better numbers on my items than AMI. When and if that day comes, I will have to make a business decision.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Historic Auctions Won't Allow A Link From GUF

I wouldn't expect many auction houses to be responding to the forum anymore. The GUU forum has now become an auction house and will be in direct comptetition with other auction houses.

Regards,
Dave

Hello Dave,

As the note on the bottom of this page states, the forum was originally created as a way to bring game used collectors together and help hobbyists educate each other. Despite the fact that GUU will be hosting auctions, the purpose of the forum will not change. I would encourage other auction houses to participate in the forum as I agree with other forum members that it would only benefit the hobby.

Sincerely,
Chris Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe