Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

[Nnunnari]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Unless someone actually watched Mattingly use this bat in a game then tape it for bp or fungos nobody has any idea where this bat came from. Who's to say it wasn't used in bp (hence the ink transfers and seam marks) then it was taped after the grain started to separate? I guess it doesn't really matter, with an asking price like that he'll be holding onto the bat for a long time.

[metsbats]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Kellsox,

My bad. Thank you for pointing that out. I just saw the "revised" tag on the listing.


Nnunnari,

Completely agree with you on your last point.

-David

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Thanks to everyone's comments and the existence of this forum, the seller somewhat changed the description to indicate information of a BP bat, but still strongly stresses game used.

I agree with most that a BP bat is a BP bat. I don't see players using bats as BP bats, then using them in games. I believe they try a bat out in practice, and if they don't like it, they tape it up and use it as a BP bat.

Again, thanks to you all and this forum for keeping the hobby safe!

[camarokids]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

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check out this picture of Q.McCracken using a taped bat in a game ......

I do think its a spring training game though , by looking at the dugout. Plus he is wearing home whites .....

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Chris,

You never got back to me about pulling my comments about Zane on the Mattingly bat.

After I provided you all email proof, your last email stated you would get back to me on the status. It's been a few days.

Tony

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Chris,

You never got back to me about pulling my comments about Zane on the Mattingly bat.

After I provided you all email proof, your last email stated you would get back to me on the status. It's been a few days.

Tony

Cris, I would hope that you aren't blowing me off on this matter. I posted what was factual information about Zane and his threat to me about a question I asked in this forum. You pulled my comments. I then provided you proof (all of his emails to me). You then email me stating based on the emails I sent you, the information appeared to be and you would have to discuss with your group. It's been days and not response.

My main issue with this is, I posted a question in this forum. Never main one negative comments or accusation against Zane. He saw my post on GUU, then base only on my question, sent me a threatening email.

I've enjoyed this website and all of its members. However, Zane cross a line and I feel since I provided you proof of my comments, they should be resinstated.

Standing by for your response.

Regards, Tony

[productionline]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

It appears that Zane Burns 'legal' scare tactic spooked the folks at Game Used Universe. I guarantee you that Burns gave it the ol lawyer tactic and it worked......this time.

My opinion of Burns has COMPLETELY done a 180 over the deal alone.

This industry is supposed to police itself so I find it to be very unfortunate that GAME USED UNIVERSE is selectively chosing what dealers can be policed.

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

It appears that Zane Burns 'legal' scare tactic spooked the folks at Game Used Universe. I guarantee you that Burns gave it the ol lawyer tactic and it worked......this time.

My opinion of Burns has COMPLETELY done a 180 over the deal alone.

This industry is supposed to police itself so I find it to be very unfortunate that GAME USED UNIVERSE is selectively chosing what dealers can be policed.

I realize there are groups...clicks...and those who look out for and take care of each other. What I have a problem is, Zane Burns ignored my emails on ebay when I asked about the Mattingly bat possibly being a BP bat (obvious tapes lines). It wasnt until I posted the question on this forum (It was only a question) that Zane Burns emails me with threats of a laywer and posting comments on other websites about this bat. Obviously, he is a member of GUU or at least reads posts to see what people are saying about his bats. In no way did I say anything against him or tell anyone not to deal with him on GUU.

I then make a post on this forum about his actions and threats against me. GUU removes my posted based on no facts to back it up. I themn email Chris all of Zanes emails and Chis emails me back stating based on the emails I forwarded to him from Zane, my comments seem to be factual. He said he needed to discuss with this group at GUU and would get back to me that night. It's been more than 5 days.

I thought this forum was to help protect the integrity of this hobby. I don't care if Zane Burns is Gods gift to this hobby. His conduct was inappropriate....and his threats were unwarranted.

Are we really here to protect the integrity of the hobby, or only protect others we like or do business with.

I have enjoyed being a part of this forum, however, it now makes me wonder its real purpose.

Regards, Tony

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

In addition, the main purpose of my post about Zane Burns was because he saw my question to the forum on his Mattingly Bat and then emailed me with a threat with his laywer for posting my question on GUU.

If he would have threatened me via ebay for questioning his bat, I wouldn't have posted anything about the matter on GUU. It was only because he saw my question on GUU that he emailed and threatened me.

I don't know him and never dealth with him, so it's not personal. He crossed a line within GUU and I believe everyone in this forum has the right to now.

Regards, Tony

[skipcareyisfat]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Tony,
For what it's worth, I had an incident with Zane a few years ago over an issue which I found to be very troubling, ethically speaking. I think I'm pretty reasonable and easy to deal with, but his reaction was so over the top and unnecessary that I decided that from that point forward I would never do business with him again. He may know bats, but guys like that IMO aren't worth messing around with.

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Tony,
For what it's worth, I had an incident with Zane a few years ago over an issue which I found to be very troubling, ethically speaking. I think I'm pretty reasonable and easy to deal with, but his reaction was so over the top and unnecessary that I decided that from that point forward I would never do business with him again. He may know bats, but guys like that IMO aren't worth messing around with.

Thanks for your comments.

I'm pretty easy to deal with also. I'm not out to hurt anyone or discredit them. Heck, I've dealt with many rude people when selling, but I always take the high oad.

This was an unfortunate incident and his attack on me was unwarranted. And it was done through GUU.

But what really bothers me now, is how GUU has handled this matter. I provided them proof with Zane's emailS (which GUU always states you must back up your accusation/comment with proof) and still, no response and it just seemed to be ingorned after removing my comments.

I'm not looking for much here. Just fairness to all!

Regards, Tony

[3arod13]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Well, I'm leaving for Baltimore to see the Yankees play the O's. I hope Arod hits HR #500 while I'm there for the 3 game series (he should).

Will check back later.

Regards, Tony

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Hello Everyone,

Despite the accusations of some on this thread, it is worth mentioning that Zane never threatened GUU with legal action. In fact, those taking the time to read the "Disclaimer and Responsibilities" on the the forum will see the following:

The views and opinions stated in the postings do not necessarily represent those of Game Used Universe, Inc. and GameUsedForum.com, Inc.

The views and opinions expressed in postings are the responsibility of the posters and not of Game Used Universe, Inc. and GameUsedForum.com, Inc.

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Those policies can be found through the following link:

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For everyone's information, the posts involving the discourse between Zane and Tony were removed pending an evaluation of the context of the exchange between the two parties as well as a discussion with the other moderators. Contrary to the opinions of the posts on this thread, we were not trying to "play favorites" or "selectively police the hobby". Such accusations are unfounded as well as unfortunate that they were made without full knowledge of the situation (something we try to avoid on this forum as a whole).

I actually have to run out to meeting as I'm typing this but will provide a more detail as to why the posts are currently not on the site when I return later today. I just didn't want this thread to continue down paths based on misinformation and unjustified speculation.

Sincerely,
Chris Cavalier

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

I have had two dealings with Zane:

Last year, I purchased a Harold Baines game used bat from him on ebay. I sent payment and Zane notified me that the bat had previously been sold and was listed in error. He offered me numerous other bats which werent exactly what I was looking for. He refunded my money in a timely manner and offered me free shipping on a future purchase.

A few weeks ago, I hit a BIN from him on a Brian Giles uncracked bat. The bat arrived in a timely manner with the free shipping and although it did have a very minor, almost undetectable crack, I was extremely happy with it. I actually like it better with the crack. It looks better in person than it did in the photo.

I'm sorry if you had a bad dealing with him and I was a little upset about the Baines bat in the beginning but I feel that Zane did right by me and I have no complaints. I hope that you two can work things out. I think that Zane is one of the good guys in the hobby.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Don Mattingly...Game Used or Batting Practice Bat?

Hello Everyone,

As follow-up to my previous post, I will let everyone know I spoke with Zane about the email exchange he had with the originator of this thread. He informed me that he did take an aggressive stance in his email correspondences but that he believed his tone was consistent with the way he was being approached by the other party.

To be very honest, given the differing opinions of the parties involved regarding why the tones were taken, we do not feel it is our place or duty at this time to investigate and determine the history and intent of those private correspondences in what seems to be a private matter. Further, in the past these type of interactions on the site have usually turned into "he said, she said" matches that aren't really consistent with the objectives of the forum. Specifically, the objectives of the forum are still in line with the statement on the bottom of this page that reads "This forum was originally created by Eric Stangel as a way to bring game used collectors together and help hobbyists educate each other."

In looking at the value of this thread to collectors, we think the discussions regarding the tape on the bat and its possible implications are of certain value to the collecting community. We do not think a discussion of who said what to whom or "who started it" would be of similar value. As such, we have decided to leave the thread as it is and trust the discussion about the bat itself will be of assistance to collectors.

If anyone feels there is significant value for forum members to investigate and discuss the history of those private emails correspondences, please feel free to look into it and email me directly with your findings and why you think it would be of value to collectors to post it here. Otherwise, if you have any questions about those correspondences you can contact those involved offline and discuss things with them.

Sincerely,
Chris Cavalier