Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

[soxbats]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

I guess I asked for it by posting. However, I found the response absolutely hilarious, particularly the point counterpoint stuff. It amazes me that a simple summary can be dissected so thoroughly and completely . . . wrong.

Let me make it as simple and straightforward as possible (and then I am taking the advice of Joel A. above). It does not matter whether the Jerseys are real or fake. It does not matter that an auction house has decided to list them. It does not matter whether they claim, you claim or anyone claims they will be authenticated. Best of luck in all that.

You came to the board, you asked for opinions and you got them. Now take a moment, breathe deep, be calm, and go back and look at what you wrote when you offered them to the forum. Objectively, did you tell a clear story about how the jerseys were acquired? Did that story remain consistent? Did you answer questions from others clearly? The answer to all of these is no.

My problem is not with the jerseys, the authenticators, or the descriptions. It is with the not so subtle shot at the "whole board" and the direct attack on Eric. (Oh wait, the last few posts suggest that it may not have been a direct attack after all, just a mistake, a misunderstanding, something overheard). You got the benefit of free and extensive opinion, good and bad. You are the better for it.

I respectfully make two suggestions: (1) don't tell a narrative about the jerseys (like "ANOTHER "FIND" OF POSSIBLE GAME USED JERSEYS), just describe the jerseys and post pictures. This will present a decreased potential for ridicule. If povenance becomes an issue later, try to tell a short clear story. (2) Wait at least a half hour before responding to a post that upsets you. I call this a "cooling off period" that allows calm and coherent response.

Best of luck on your auctions, I look forward to the discussion of the items on this board.

[aaron1050]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Eric... Rest assured you were not named by name by the auction house. However, the conversation I overheard made it clear they were talking about you. I do not think they had any clue I even heard what they said until I asked them about it. Their silence answered my question.

***** AS PER FORUM RULES:

"No Personal Attacks. Do not harass, belittle, threaten or “flame” another member. Do not call other members names, even in jest. You may dispute opinions and facts, but do so with facts and not by taking it to a personal level. This forum is intended to operate in a positive environment. Please help us achieve that goal."

This rule applies to unnecessary accusations against organizations as well as members. Please do make posts which attack others or accuse based on assumptions.

[Eric]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

**** Post rescinded so parties are not identified with unnecessary accusations.

[trsent]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

There we go again, when you don't like something, just blame ***.

Fellow members of this great forum, please stop pinning everything on *** or *** without proof. Speculation killed the cat and this is just not fair.

...and no, I do not work for ***** I just know what is fair and Aaron's comments pinning this on **** are not fair at this time of the discussion.

Hello Joel-

I edited your post since the names were removed from the original post and I think it is best to remove the names here as well.

Please see the original post and let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe

[aaron1050]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

There we go again, when you don't like something, just blame ***.

Fellow members of this great forum, please stop pinning everything on *** or *** without proof. Speculation killed the cat and this is just not fair.

...and no, I do not work for ***** I just know what is fair and Aaron's comments pinning this on **** are not fair at this time of the discussion.

Hello Joel-

I edited your post since the names were removed from the original post and I think it is best to remove the names here as well.

Please see the original post and let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe

Pure speculation on my part Christopher (or Joel--not sure who I'm supposed to be responding to). Just going on the proven history of that particular auction house and my own sneaky suspicions.

The part about the auction house illegally (?) disclosing Eric's bidding history to a potential consignor seemed to match their MO.

Of course, if those items do turn up in that particular auction house's next auction, then you owe me a Coke!

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Pure speculation on my part Christopher (or Joel--not sure who I'm supposed to be responding to). Just going on the proven history of that particular auction house and my own sneaky suspicions.

Hello Aaron-

The forum is certainly not saying you are not entitled to an opinion (sorry for the double negative). However, participation in the forum will require everyone to follow the rules that have been created. By doing so, this forum will continue to gain strength as a driving force in the hobby.

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe

[aaron1050]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Hello Aaron-

The forum is certainly not saying you are not entitled to an opinion (sorry for the double negative).

No problem, I didn't take your post (or editing) to mean that at all. Them's the rules.

By doing so, this forum will continue to gain strength as a driving force in the hobby.

Sounds good (I can almost picture you hoisting an American flag while proclaiming that slogan proudly). I think what Eric has created is frankly amazing given how quickly and virtually from scratch his idea has organized an impactful and thriving on-line community.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Sounds good (I can almost picture you hoisting an American flag while proclaiming that slogan proudly). I think what Eric has created is frankly amazing given how quickly and virtually from scratch his idea has organized an impactful and thriving on-line community.

Hello Aaron-

I couldn't agree more. As I have said before, I think Eric has been a pioneer in this hobby. I also believe this community is largely responsible for the positive changes that are beginning to take place in the game used memorabilia segmen...t -- sorry my flag got in the way of my typing ;^)

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe

[trsent]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Funny, I may owe you a Coke, but that doesn't make your comment correct even if your speculation was correct.

Have a great day!

[apujols04]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Funny, I may owe you a Coke, but that doesn't make your comment correct even if your speculation was correct.

Have a great day!

It is not AMI. I will not consign with them b/c my 3 experiences with them involve them paying no earlier than 45 days and almost to 90 days twice. The speculation was incorrect. You guys can decide who buys who a coke.

[trsent]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

It is not AMI. I will not consign with them b/c my 3 experiences with them involve them paying no earlier than 45 days and almost to 90 days twice. The speculation was incorrect. You guys can decide who buys who a coke.

Cool, I am owed a Coke and a smile!

[apujols04]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

The "Mets" jersey is a minor league shirt...road grey with "Mets" instead of "New York" on front. Still, a really nice jersey! Goodman is TOP quality! At first glance, the "RAMS" jacket looks good...check the initials on the Rams' website!
Congrats!

The post above shows why this forum can sometimes be a complete joke. Keep in mind that both-teams-played-hard is one of the individuals who always has acted like he knows a lot but again shows how little he can really know. I think Eric should be editing posts like the one above as well when an obviously ignorant post has been made. Attacking people is not okay but ignorantly trying to disprove a possible legitimate jersey with NO BASIS is allowed? I think the pic I have attached shows why all both-teams-played-hard posts should be taken with a grain of salt, especially when he posts concerning my jersey finds. MEARS shows the mets tagging as starting around 1974. Mickey Lolich wore #29 during 1976 (I think) with the mets. Could it be his jersey? Any Mets fans interested? Keep in mind my source has only had high quality names to this point. The pic below is from getty images of tom seaver in the mid 70's. A grey jersey with "mets"instead of new york. BTPH, I am not interested in your opinions any more at this point.

[apujols04]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

I guess I asked for it by posting. However, I found the response absolutely hilarious, particularly the point counterpoint stuff. It amazes me that a simple summary can be dissected so thoroughly and completely . . . wrong.

Let me make it as simple and straightforward as possible (and then I am taking the advice of Joel A. above). It does not matter whether the Jerseys are real or fake. It does not matter that an auction house has decided to list them. It does not matter whether they claim, you claim or anyone claims they will be authenticated. Best of luck in all that.

You came to the board, you asked for opinions and you got them. Now take a moment, breathe deep, be calm, and go back and look at what you wrote when you offered them to the forum. Objectively, did you tell a clear story about how the jerseys were acquired? Did that story remain consistent? Did you answer questions from others clearly? The answer to all of these is no.

My problem is not with the jerseys, the authenticators, or the descriptions. It is with the not so subtle shot at the "whole board" and the direct attack on Eric. (Oh wait, the last few posts suggest that it may not have been a direct attack after all, just a mistake, a misunderstanding, something overheard). You got the benefit of free and extensive opinion, good and bad. You are the better for it.

I respectfully make two suggestions: (1) don't tell a narrative about the jerseys (like "ANOTHER "FIND" OF POSSIBLE GAME USED JERSEYS), just describe the jerseys and post pictures. This will present a decreased potential for ridicule. If povenance becomes an issue later, try to tell a short clear story. (2) Wait at least a half hour before responding to a post that upsets you. I call this a "cooling off period" that allows calm and coherent response.

Best of luck on your auctions, I look forward to the discussion of the items on this board.

Now you can see why I would rather someone not even post than post something which can be so easily disproven. Your first post was based on assumptions. Please do not try to assume you knew/know what I am/was thinking. If I did not make something clear, please ask me to clarify it. The whole thing is really pretty simple. I hope I waiting an ample amount of time (more than a half hour) to repond to your post. I know you wanted to rush to Eric's defense but please think first and make sure you really read my words and make sure they are clear to you first. That will make everything much easier. Assumptions are worthless.

If I would like to describe the jerseys as a "jersey find," this is my business. I should not be treated differently based on the heading. As a wise man once said: "don't hate, congratulate."

A short clear story is not always easy. For your sake, I will explain how I found these jerseys. I saw one of the jerseys, made a phone call, and bought all of them.

Finally, I must ask: What good is a free opinion if the one opinion I got in regards to my Mets jersey was so far off/bogus? If this forum was so good, why did no one dispute what BTPH claimed? Just goes to show that even once you post pics here and get feedback, you still may be misled. I just wonder how often the misleading is intentional?

[apujols04]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

You came to the board, you asked for opinions and you got them. Now take a moment, breathe deep, be calm, and go back and look at what you wrote when you offered them to the forum. Objectively, did you tell a clear story about how the jerseys were acquired? Did that story remain consistent? Did you answer questions from others clearly? The answer to all of these is no.

My problem is not with the jerseys, the authenticators, or the descriptions. It is with the not so subtle shot at the "whole board" and the direct attack on Eric.

In addition. Is it your business how the jerseys were aquired? NO, but they were legally aquired! Was the story consistent? YES, AND FEEL FREE TO PROVE ME OTHERWISE! Did I clearly answer others questions? WHEN I FELT THE QUESTIONS WERE THEIR BUSINESS TO BE ASKING ME--YES! In regards to Eric, attacking is a strong word. Do I think Eric takes sides? YES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY INVOLVE HIS BUDDIES AND FORUM SUPPORTERS.

It was between Eric and I in regards to the auction house being discussed.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I OFFERED TO TELL ERIC WHAT AUCTION HOUSE IT WAS (once he finally emailed me instead of asking me questions via the thread), BUT HE REFUSED TO MY ONE STIPULATION--WAITING UNTIL THE AUCTION BOOKS WERE PRINTED (keep in mind he would still then find out before any of you). THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE HE WOULD POSSIBLY CONTACT THEM TO SAY BAD STUFF ABOUT ME. I DO NOT KNOW HOW CONNECTED ERIC IS, SO I WOULD RATHER NOT TAKE THE RISK OF ERIC TRYING TO HAVE MY AUCTION ITEMS PULLED FOR HIS OWN BENEFIT. I DO NOT KNOW ERIC PERSONALLY SO I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF. I DID FIND IT FUNNY THAT ERIC KEPT PROMISING TO NOT TELL THE BOARD. WHAT BENEFIT DOES THAT PROVIDE TO ME? AS SOON AS A FORUM MEMBER GETS THE CATALOGE IT WILL BE PUBLIC INFO ANYWAY.

What I do know is that more than one of Eric's buddies who participate on this forum have done their fair share of gossiping like little girls with other dealers sports store owners. I do not appreciate being part of stupid little girl gossip, especially when someone is bitter at me for calling them out for dishonest business practices. Based on the little amount of help I receive on this forum when compared to the negative feedback (in the last 3 months), I will assume that I am one of the "twentysomething" collectors that some on this board have a problem with. On the other hand, if my jerseys are legit and the bids come flying in then I will be around this industry for a while so I'll just roll with the punches (as Cam'ron would say.)

If any of my last three posts are edited, then Eric will have made it clear that the rules are applied differently based on who the poster is. Hopefully, this will not end up being the case. I would again like to stress that Eric chose to stop communication with me in regars to the auction house after he did not get is way. He wanted it his way or the highway, and was not willing to give a little to get a little. I do not play those types of games.

also.....NO, the auctions house has not told me to "shut-up." This may be due to them reading my past posts on this forum and seeing what goes down on this site. A great forum with the majority of users being great, but also with a fair amount of clowns and people who should wear "Dodgers" hats for the way they respond (and don't) to what is posted by others. At least nobody can accuse me of running from any issue on this board.

[apujols04]

Re: Another "find" of possible Game Used Memorabilia (3 items)

Funny, everyone always assumes when something is being questioned that the seller is knowingly selling something they created or doctored themselves.

Again, thank you for providing the most simple explanation as to what sometimes occurs on this site. It is even better when the something being questioned ends up being undoctored and the real deal. Thanks for your post.