"Yankees Suck!!!"

[3arod13]

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Joe Torre is a bad manager! If someone gave me a Clemens, Pettitte, Cone, Wells, and El Duke i could win four world series as a manage too. Give me Stanton, Mendoza, Nelson, Wettland, and Rivera in the bullpen to go with those starters and ill take my chances. What managerial moves has Torre made that have won him anything? This year was a joke! How can you watch Matsui play hurt all September and hit .125 for the month and THEN on the last day of the season get his knee drained? Joe, give your star players some rest!!! How can you watch Jason Giambi limp around the bases for a month and then on a HOMERUN he finally tears his plantar faciata in his foot? If a guy tears something while jogging its proabably a sign that he's been hurt for a while and now it finally popped. How in the world do you play Doug Meintkevich as your playoff first baseman? Dont you want your best offensive line up out there if you arent scoring runs? How do you hit AROD 8th at any point of the playoffs? How do you start Gary Sheffild at first base in the playoffs if he's never played there before? Why do you bring in Joba Chamberlain in the 7th inning with a FIVE and i repeat FIVE run lead? Its because you are selfish and need to win or your fired.

On to Cashman, does everyone remember trading for Randy Johnson from the Diamondbacks? Cashman gave Arizona a list of 5 minor leaguers to choose from. On that list were Dionar Navarro, Robinson Cano, Chein Ming Wang and two others. If the Diamondbacks take Cano and Wang would everyone praise Cashman for not trading their young players? How about Cashman firing the Strenght and Condintioning coach this year? He brought a guy in from some 24 hour fitness and named him the NEW YORK YANKEES strenght and conditioning coach????? Dont you have to be some sort of Olympic stud trainer to train the NEW YORK YANKEES superstars? Well, he fired that guy a month into the season and now that guys assistant is the guy in charge. Shouldnt an organazatoin of the Yankees caliber hire a guy who is qualified? Just a small sample of some moves Cashman makes that make me shake my head.

One more thing, if the Yankees fire Torre DO NOT hire Don Mattingly to be the manager! This guy has no clue how to manage. Bring in a guy who has done it before who doesnt have to learn on the job. This position isnt for a long time Yankee captain to inherit. This job is for a qualified manager who can actually manage and not make bonehead moves. Torre gets a whole lot of credit but if you talk to the players off the record you will find a totally different perspective. I know guys say Torre is class and so on and so forth. You dont know Joe Torre. You hear what Torre says, you hear what some of his players say but dont believe everything you hear. This guy is loyal to Jeter, Posada, and Mariano. The list stops there. Thats not class, class is having a closed door meeting with AROD and not telling Sports Illustrated about the meeting an hour later. I could go on and on but its time for the Yankees to bring in another GM and another manager to make all of you Yankee die hards realize that Torre and Cashman failed since 2000. Like i said, give me the players Torre had in the late 90's and i could have won too. Damn the Yankees get me fired up. FYI, im a HUGE Yankee fan.

Carlevv, is arod staying?

[bigtruck260]

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Always kills me when the manager is blamed for the lack of inspired play from the executioners...People complain about Torre, the complain about LaRussa. Who are they gonna bring in to replace the best managers available? Nobody. The players have to play...the manager makes decisions based on tendencies and percentages. If those percentages are skewed by injury or slump - makes things even harder. Oh yeah - THEN your boss tells the world that you are toast if your team fails on you. That makes things easier. If I were Torre, I would walk away and take a nice job in Florida, or Seattle - OR become a roving instructor. They'll come calling again. They always do. Class is class.

[cjclong]

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I'm always interested in the comments of people who have never managed anything and insist they would take this or that team to the World Series if they had the players. Another persons job always looks easy until we have to do it ourselves. Then suddenly there are a lot of tough things we never thought about that have to be mastered. If managing were that easy the teams would hire some of these forum writers to do it and save a hell of a lot of money.

[geoff]

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They do need to sign Posada.I can't see him in another Uniform.It would not look right on him.

[3arod13]

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I don't think the Yankees suck. I'm more disappointed how they didn't show up in the series. Bummed out!

[Carlevv]

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I'm always interested in the comments of people who have never managed anything and insist they would take this or that team to the World Series if they had the players. Another persons job always looks easy until we have to do it ourselves. Then suddenly there are a lot of tough things we never thought about that have to be mastered. If managing were that easy the teams would hire some of these forum writers to do it and save a hell of a lot of money.

First of all for the record i respect any and all opinions here. Right or wrong i respect it because it yours and yours alone.

I happen to know alot of people in the Yankee organaizaton and have been privy to a lot of conversations with staff members, coaches and players on a day to day basis. I make up my own mind as a man but when i hear members of the organization and the writters that are with the team everyday complaining about how things are being run its not far from being the truth. When i say i could manage this team im being sarcastic obviously but what im trying to say is change would be welcomed. How is Joe Torre a class guy? Please explain how being classy has anything to do with winning ball games? Is Tony LaRussa classy? He was found asleep at the wheel drunk in spring training. Didnt he just win a world series the year before? Didnt Ozzie Guillen call a guy from ESPN a queer? Is that being classy? Yea the same year he won a world series right? Classy doesnt win championships. Good managers do, not guys who know what to say and how to say it. Turn the page on the mid 90's Yankee way. You dont have 5 number one starters on the team anymore and you dont have a line up that clicks because they arent all superstars with huge ego's. Change to this team will be the only way they ever win.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Carlevv -

your rant went in so many different directions, I'm not sure where to begin.

joe Torre is a bad manager? oh please!


You said "How in the world do you play Doug Meintkevich as your playoff first baseman? Dont you want your best offensive line up out there if you arent scoring runs?"

Are you saying that you'd rather have Giambi out there? Let's look at the numbers.

Doug Mientkiewicz - 72 games, 166 AB's, 26 runs, 46 hits, 12 doubles, 5 homers, 16 BB, 23 Strike outs, a .277 BA and a .440 slugging %

Jason Giambi - 83 games, 254 AB's, 31 runs, 60 hits, 8 doubles, 14 homers, 40 BB, 66 Strike outs, .236 BA and a .433 slugging %

Now, you are talking about offensive numbers so I wont even argue how Minty is a far superior fielder. Giambi is a defensive liability, especially in late innings.
In just 12 more games, Giambi amassed nearly triple the number of strikeouts compared to Mientkiewicz. Minty also had a batting average that was 40 points higher as well as a higher slugging percentage and more doubles. Giambi had 14 more hits in 11 more games, which is just about a 1 for 4 every day. Is a 1 for 4 effort good for an "offensive powerhouse" such as Giambi? Sure he had a bunch of home runs, but day in and day out, Doug is a better choice. Consider too, that Doug was knocked flat on his ass in a game and injured which accounted for his little playing time.

You also said "How do you start Gary Sheffild at first base in the playoffs if he's never played there before?"

Now, I watched all of the Yankees play off games this year and can't seem to recall Gary Sheffield playing first base.....could that be due to the fact that he now plays for Detroit?

Now you complained that Cashman offered Cano, Wang et al in the Johnson deal. Well, you have to give quality sometimes to get quality. Its the "dont trade prospects" thinking that kept Kevin Maas here.

The Yankees tried and they failed. No shame in that. No need to point fingers and assign blame.

[Carlevv]

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As far as AROD staying, I think he stays. The Yankees will have to pay what everyone else is offering though. Baseball is a buisiness and why should a guy not get a market value for his services. Remember the Yankees are a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY so please save all the comments about him taking less to stay in New York. Of course AROD could leave to go play in Anaheim and live by the beach with only one newspaper following the team. If thats what he chooses to do i think it hurts his legacy. The Yankees will put money on the table every year to get the best players money can buy and im not sure Anaheim cant guarentee that to him. With the young Yankee pitchers showing promise i think AROD will look at that as a huge reason for him staying. Who wants to go into the hall of fame with an Angels hat on anyways?

[Carlevv]

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Carlevv -

your rant went in so many different directions, I'm not sure where to begin.

joe Torre is a bad manager? oh please!


You said "How in the world do you play Doug Meintkevich as your playoff first baseman? Dont you want your best offensive line up out there if you arent scoring runs?"

Are you saying that you'd rather have Giambi out there? Let's look at the numbers.

Doug Mientkiewicz - 72 games, 166 AB's, 26 runs, 46 hits, 12 doubles, 5 homers, 16 BB, 23 Strike outs, a .277 BA and a .440 slugging %

Jason Giambi - 83 games, 254 AB's, 31 runs, 60 hits, 8 doubles, 14 homers, 40 BB, 66 Strike outs, .236 BA and a .433 slugging %

Now, you are talking about offensive numbers so I wont even argue how Minty is a far superior fielder. Giambi is a defensive liability, especially in late innings.
In just 12 more games, Giambi amassed nearly triple the number of strikeouts compared to Mientkiewicz. Minty also had a batting average that was 40 points higher as well as a higher slugging percentage and more doubles. Giambi had 14 more hits in 11 more games, which is just about a 1 for 4 every day. Is a 1 for 4 effort good for an "offensive powerhouse" such as Giambi? Sure he had a bunch of home runs, but day in and day out, Doug is a better choice. Consider too, that Doug was knocked flat on his ass in a game and injured which accounted for his little playing time.

You also said "How do you start Gary Sheffild at first base in the playoffs if he's never played there before?"

Now, I watched all of the Yankees play off games this year and can't seem to recall Gary Sheffield playing first base.....could that be due to the fact that he now plays for Detroit?

Now you complained that Cashman offered Cano, Wang et al in the Johnson deal. Well, you have to give quality sometimes to get quality. Its the "dont trade prospects" thinking that kept Kevin Maas here.

The Yankees tried and they failed. No shame in that. No need to point fingers and assign blame.

Sorry for the scrambled rant but lets call a spade a spade here first of all. If you are pitching for the Indians who would you rather face, Meintcevich or Giambi? Dont even answer that. Dont start throwing numbers around. No matter what a guy has done in the past a presence in the line up is way bigger than numbers in the past. Yes Giambi is a libility in the field but thats why you put in Minty in the late innnings. And one more thing about numbers, Giambi's numbers began to go down after he was hurt and Torre kept running him out there. Those numbers are a reflection of that.

Sheffield played first base in the playoffs last year FYI.

You say you have to trade quality to get quality? How is Randy Johnson quality? Did you see him pitch in pinstripes? I saw Sandie Johnson, not Randy Johnson.

[bigtruck260]

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Class defines character. Both Torre and LaRussa have seen some great successes (and dismal failures) - Everyone has flaws, but the one thing that separates Torre and LaRussa from many other guys is their accountability - even when the team implodes because the owners did not want to spend money (Dewitt, Kip Wells) OR the team has trouble getting past the first round (Cashman, elderly Yanks). The fact that Torre stayed around this year has to give him cred. among his staff... a lesser man would flush himself mid-season.

[Carlevv]

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Class defines character. Both Torre and LaRussa have seen some great successes (and dismal failures) - Everyone has flaws, but the one thing that separates Torre and LaRussa from many other guys is their accountability - even when the team implodes because the owners did not want to spend money (Dewitt, Kip Wells) OR the team has trouble getting past the first round (Cashman, elderly Yanks). The fact that Torre stayed around this year has to give him cred. among his staff... a lesser man would flush himself mid-season.

Give me 6 million a year like Torre makes and ill stick around too.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Sorry for the scrambled rant but lets call a spade a spade here first of all. If you are pitching for the Indians who would you rather face, Meintcevich or Giambi? Dont even answer that. Dont start throwing numbers around. No matter what a guy has done in the past a presence in the line up is way bigger than numbers in the past. Yes Giambi is a libility in the field but thats why you put in Minty in the late innnings. And one more thing about numbers, Giambi's numbers began to go down after he was hurt and Torre kept running him out there. Those numbers are a reflection of that.

Sheffield played first base in the playoffs last year FYI.

You say you have to trade quality to get quality? How is Randy Johnson quality? Did you see him pitch in pinstripes? I saw Sandie Johnson, not Randy Johnson.

You cant talk about being an offensive force and not throw numbers around.

Sheffield was last year, we were discussing this year.

How is Randy Johnson quality - lets see, 284 career wins, a 34-19 record as a Yankee (2 17 win seasons!) with over 200 innings pitched each season and an average just under 200 strikeouts per season as a Yankee. Your right, who needs that?

[cjclong]

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Unfortunately class doesn't win ballgames. But isn't it nice when someone with class is a winner instead of some first class jerk. Torre was able to deflect a lot the media hype that goes with playing in New York and allow his teams to concentrate on baseball. That's no small achievement. And it will be something anyone who replaces him will have to master.

[Carlevv]

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You cant talk about being an offensive force and not throw numbers around.

Sheffield was last year, we were discussing this year.

How is Randy Johnson quality - lets see, 284 career wins, a 34-19 record as a Yankee (2 17 win seasons!) with over 200 innings pitched each season and an average just under 200 strikeouts per season as a Yankee. Your right, who needs that?

Wow if those numbers are right thats surprising he did that as a Yankee. Why is it that he left such a bad taste in everyones mouth? I have only bad memories of Sandie as a Yankee.

[Carlevv]

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Unfortunately class doesn't win ballgames. But isn't it nice when someone with class is a winner instead of some first class jerk. Torre was able to deflect a lot the media hype that goes with playing in New York and allow his teams to concentrate on baseball. That's no small achievement. And it will be something anyone who replaces him will have to master.

That was Torre's bet quality hands down.