Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

[joelsabi]

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i was at the book store awhile back and thumbed thru the index and saw alex rodriguez name. it turns out that they had flown together for some charity work, sending supplies to a poor latin country (forgot if it was cuba or dominican republic). so it seems they are not just acquaintances but maybe friends.

anyone else read this?

[Yankwood]

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[10thMan]

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I think Canseco is looking pretty honest right about now. I`ve read most of the books I can find on the subject, not just the "news" or press written crap. Disagree if you want, In Cansecos position, I MAY have spoken up too. How many people have the courage to speak the truth under extremely difficult circumstances??? I think most simply take the "easy route" in fear of looking like a "Rat"
WHAT MAKES SO MANY PEOPLE THINK A-ROD IS AN ANGEL? gimme a break!
Sean

[JasonM33]

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I'm certain that there are a lot of names that were not on Mitchels list. A lot of names. Big names. I'm also sure that light will be shed on most of these guys before too long. Why did Canseco leave Arod out of his first book? We can only speculate. I'm also curious why he didn't mention Clemens? I knew Clemens was on the juice and I knew they were friends having played together a couple times. Interesting.

I'm not patting Canseco on the back but I'm not mad at him either. The truth is the truth. People are just pissed because the fantasy that they have been living regarding certain sports and certain players is over with. I'd prefer that professional sports never got corrupted by steriods. But, even at 12 years old when I first started being a fan of Canseco I wasn't fooling myself. I knew what he was doing and I didn't care. I accepted reality. I recommend that everyone should do the same. Let this stuff go. Either that or get a new hobby if you're that sore about it.

People love to bash Canseco, call him names and rant about his "credibility". Regardless of what you think of his motives ask yourselves a question, just who is it that has been proven to be a liar? It's not Jose Canseco.

[3arod13]

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How many people have the courage to speak the truth under extremely difficult circumstances??? I think most simply take the "easy route" in fear of looking like a "Rat"

WHAT??? Courage to speak the truth under extremely difficult circumstances??? Canseco? Courage? Are you kidding me?

If Canseco wasn't bidder against MLB, he would have continued on, and if warranted, took his place in the Hall of Fame and kept his mouth shut, unless he also got caught. However, he had a grudge against MLB and this was more about payback and making money than doing the right thing. Heck, Canseco still priases himself for taking steriods and promotes them.

If Canseco was still playing baseball and then spoke out, then yes, he would be credited for having the courage to speak the truth under extremely difficult circumstances. However, he didn't!

Just like Brian Bosworth. Bosworth waited until he got in the pros before he spoke out about the drugs players were taking in the locker room in college. Hero? NO!

I'm a realist. Do I believe there's no way Arod took anything? No. Could he have? Sure. Is there proof? No

I have nothing against Canseco. Just don't care of the way he went about doing it. He didn't do it for the right reasons. He did it for payback and the money.

[3arod13]

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I'm certain that there are a lot of names that were not on Mitchels list. A lot of names. Big names.
I'm not patting Canseco on the back but I'm not mad at him either. The truth is the truth. People are just pissed because the fantasy that they have been living regarding certain sports and certain players is over with.
People love to bash Canseco, call him names and rant about his "credibility". Regardless of what you think of his motives ask yourselves a question, just who is it that has been proven to be a liar? It's not Jose Canseco.

Correct! There's no question there are a lot of names that weren't mentioned on the Mitchels list. A lot of big names!

People don't love to bash Canseco, call him names and rant about his creditbility. There's no quesiton in my mind at all that Canseco is very honest in everything he says...even when he mentions Arod's name. Possible...yes!

Bottom line for me (and I'm only speaking for myself), I just don't care for way Canseco went about it and for the reasons he did. His goal was not to clean up baseball. If it was, he would have done in back when he was playing. For those of us who know enough about Canseco, it was all about payback to MLB. A bitter Jose Canseco.

[reed1216]

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I heard Canseco on Dan Patrick's radio show last week. During the interview, he stated that he was totally unaware that Clemens was involved in steroids or HGH. All that means is that he did not know anything about Clemens' use of PEDs. It also appears that he and Clemens were friends. I doubt that would have prevented Canseco from including Clemens in his first book, had he any reason to suspect that Clemens was using. His first objective in all this is and has been to make money...

As far as ARod is concerned, time will tell. Yes, Jose has built some degree of credibility. However, that DOES NOT mean his word is 100% legit from now on. Canseco's primary goal is to make money off this. By being credible in Juiced, he established credibility. This new found credibility looks to be helpful in marketing his follow-up. Introducing ARod as a steroid user is about the best way a slow-witted guy like me would know to get people talking. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the more talk there is, the more copies of the book will be sold.

Again, I don't know if ARod used. I hope he didn't. but who really knows. But just because Jose named some names that turned out to be true in Juiced, does not mean that he is a credible source. All it means is that he was credible the first time he wrote about the subject....

[3arod13]

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Well said Reed. The main point that I have been trying to make about Canseco is...he isn't a great guy like some make him out to be for coming forward and opening the door about steroids. Yes, he did provide information that opened the door, but it wasn't because he's a great guy and wanted to clean up baseball. He's a bitter, bitter ballplayer who wants to pay MLB back. As he said in the past, he was blackballed within baseball and it's payback time.

Did Canseco do some good, yes. Did he do it for the right reasons? NO

[JasonM33]

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Correct! There's no question there are a lot of names that weren't mentioned on the Mitchels list. A lot of big names!

People don't love to bash Canseco, call him names and rant about his creditbility. There's no quesiton in my mind at all that Canseco is very honest in everything he says...even when he mentions Arod's name. Possible...yes!

Bottom line for me (and I'm only speaking for myself), I just don't care for way Canseco went about it and for the reasons he did. His goal was not to clean up baseball. If it was, he would have done in back when he was playing. For those of us who know enough about Canseco, it was all about payback to MLB. A bitter Jose Canseco.

You are absolutely right. Canseco didn't do this to clean up baseball, he did it to get even. Now, even as a die hard Canseco fan I still don't respect that. I don't respect the motivation and I don't respect him naming names and airing other people's dirty laundry. He was just bitter and he readily admits that. I have no idea about his financial situation so I'm not going to speculate about it. Either way he hasn't been wrong yet.

Some people really do like to attack Canseco. Some fans, and a lot of sports reporters. They don't wan't to take him at his word even after he's been proven right many times over. A lot of people thought he was a jerk back in the day and this sitution gives them an excuse to take shots at him. He's become a laughing stock, a boob. My personal opinion is that he's neither a hero nor a villian in this. He shouldn't be admired nor should he be reviled. The steriod issue is bigger than Jose Canseco. He's just one piece of the puzzle that allowed fans know the truth. Right or wrong.

-Jason M

[DConLA]

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HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF BASEBALL. HE'S OUT AND HE WANTS BACK IN. WHAT ELES CAN HE DO.

DAN 323 257-4898 daniel248@earthlink.net

[staindsox]

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FYI - Clemens was in his first book. I read it cover to cover.

[whatupyos]

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I'm curious what others think about Canseco naming names? What about you former/current police officers? I know all about the brotherhood y'all have and same for military folks. Its not cool to "rat" out people. If you want to say you did roids, fine, say so, but keep other peoples names out of your mouth.

Aaron

[kingjammy24]

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"Its not cool to "rat" out people. If you want to say you did roids, fine, say so, but keep other peoples names out of your mouth."

i agree! if you witness people comitting federal crimes, just keep quiet! that's best for everyone. if not for that damn sherron watkins, enron might still be out there defrauding investors! if frank serpico hadn't opened his yapper then the nypd could have continued its corruption.

sherron watkins, frank serpico = not cool

criminal activities = very cool

i wonder how people here would feel if an auction house employee would step forward with detailed admissions of shill-bidding. i know i'd hate such a rat. let the fraud continue i say!

rudy.

[David]

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By definition rats are guilty of telling the truth. By definition, people who are against rats want the truth suppressed.

[whatupyos]

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Rudy,

Wow, I mean come one man. Maybe thats my fault for not being more specific, but I figured since you know so much about everything, I wouldn't have to further explain myself, especially to you. My bad for not doing so in the first post but in terms of violent crime, or if it harms someone, then yes, by all means point out what you saw...i.e. witnessing a murder, watching someone swindle millions in fraud. What I'm talking about is the good ol' victimless crimes. I mean drugs, which I assume most people have done here and there. You wouldn't "rat" out your buddy to the cops and say, hey, I know so and so who smokes dope in his home every night and set up a sting operation to then bust them...lets be real.