Jose Canseco vs. Alex Rodriguez

[David]

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I should add that I agree with Rudy.

Pointing out auction house forgery is an example of ratting.

Telling the police that there he sees a guy pacing by the elementary school with a shotgun is ratting.

[whatupyos]

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David

hey, fine, agree with Rudy...I can care less. He's right crimes such as murder and fraud should be reported. I should have been more clear about my statements. However, hypothetically would you rat out your buddy who sold another buddy dope? Would you rat out a friend for supplying an underage friend some alcohol? See where I'm going here. The issue is steriods, which are a drug, which to me, is a victimless crime. What one person wants to put into their body is their own business. You etalking about people hurting others with violence, or fraud. That is something entirely different than my version of ratting for doing drugs. If I had a friend who shot up roids, or sold dope, or gave an underage friend some alcohol, I wouldn't rat. That kind of stuff gets people into trouble on the street...so them doing wrong with drugs is their own darn business, not something I'm going to point out to authorities.

I dont want to name names, but allegedly there was a person named in the Mitchell report who said, so and so, and another so and so did roids too, when they were asked about their involvment. That was not cool...Look at Giambi...he did a stand up job. He said he'd talk to Mitchell about his own use but not talk about anyone else....that should be applauded. Thats stand up work, he didn't sell anyone out!! Even see the movie 'Scent of a Woman'...maybe you should watch it and realize what I'm talking about. Not selling others out is called courage...what leaders are made of!!!

[kingjammy24]

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"The issue is steriods, which are a drug, which to me, is a victimless crime."

this isn't about some burnout in his basement. it's about superstar athletes. the victims are the young, impressionable kids who end up thinking that if a star major leaguer does it then it must be ok and that that's the way to succeed in the majors. what do you think the capitol hill hearings were about? simply weeding out cheating players? two sets of parents were there whose kids committed suicide after steroid abuse.

McGwire: "My heart goes out to every parent whose son or daughter were victims of steroid use ... I hope that these hearings can prevent other families from suffering."

Selig: "Major League Baseball has always recognized the influence that our stars can have on the youth of America. As such, we are concerned that recent revelations and allegations of steroid use have been sending a terrible message to young people."

rudy.

[3arod13]

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You are absolutely right. Canseco didn't do this to clean up baseball, he did it to get even. Now, even as a die hard Canseco fan I still don't respect that. I don't respect the motivation and I don't respect him naming names and airing other people's dirty laundry. He was just bitter and he readily admits that. I have no idea about his financial situation so I'm not going to speculate about it. Either way he hasn't been wrong yet.

Some people really do like to attack Canseco. Some fans, and a lot of sports reporters. They don't wan't to take him at his word even after he's been proven right many times over. A lot of people thought he was a jerk back in the day and this sitution gives them an excuse to take shots at him. He's become a laughing stock, a boob. My personal opinion is that he's neither a hero nor a villian in this. He shouldn't be admired nor should he be reviled. The steriod issue is bigger than Jose Canseco. He's just one piece of the puzzle that allowed fans know the truth. Right or wrong.

-Jason M

Jason,

Well said! My point exactly.

[3arod13]

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I think we all, at one point in our life, have been at the fork in the road where we have seen or heard something wrong and thought to ourselves, should I or should I not say or do anything, in fear what others might say or think about us. Happens especially in the work place for those fear they may lose their job.

It's a tough situation for many to decide what to do. Some have no problem speaking up, and some do.

I have no problem with Canseco speaking out. I just don't care for the reasons he did it.

The end for me. Great comments everyone!

[cigarman44]

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sounds like 3arod13's getting a little testy here when his boy is bagged on. Sounds like someones drinking too much Arod juice if you know what I'm sayin...slurp, slurp

[3arod13]

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sounds like 3arod13's getting a little testy here when his boy is bagged on. Sounds like someones drinking too much Arod juice if you know what I'm sayin...slurp, slurp

??? My comments have been directed at Jose Canseco and his motive(s) for telling all about steriods. I haven't defended Arod at all. I stated, if it's proven that arod juiced, then he deserves everything he gets.

Haven't got testy or defensive at all

[TNTtoys]

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My 2 cents about steriods being a "victimless" crime. Rudy did hit the nail on the head as far as the impact on the youth of our nation, and I did see that the Mitchell report was valuable in its own rights for exposing to these kids that they will be labeled for life should they try this. Yes, the user of steriods generally is the victim... but there are cases where someone "clean" is instead. Picture the young aspiring athlete who is beaten out of that starting spot by someone of equal or lesser talent but is on performance enhancing drugs. I see this guy being a "victim." Where will it lead him? Down one of two paths -- 1. either feeling as though the only way to make it is to take the performance enhancers himself or 2. cheated out of a career that he rightfully deserved.

[Nnunnari]

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Baseball players are just like police officers, they don't rat each other out, it's a secret society. There are many dirty little secrets in both professions, Canseco was bitter at baseball and opened his big mouth. The players knew the only way they'd ever get busted for the steroid/HGH scandal that EVERYBODY was involved in was if someone from within opened their mouth- nobody figured this would ever happen, but unfortunately for them it did. The players who haven't been mentioned yet are counting their lucky stars. You guys can keep telling yourself that your favorite players who are not named in the Mitchell Report are clean, but again, you're most likely wrong. It was an even playing field, let the great ones in the Hall!

[Nnunnari]

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If Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Palmeiro, Sheffield, Sosa don't get voted to the Hall, the HOF will lose all credibility in my eyes.

Nick

[33bird]

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Get rid of your Arod stuff. Maybe he was better at hiding it than the others, but it'll come out eventually. I know there's a few Arod fans on here that are grasping at straws to say their boy is clean, but it's coming. Sell all your crap of Arod-he's the next Bonds.
Greg

[3arod13]

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Get rid of your Arod stuff. Maybe he was better at hiding it than the others, but it'll come out eventually. I know there's a few Arod fans on here that are grasping at straws to say their boy is clean, but it's coming. Sell all your crap of Arod-he's the next Bonds.
Greg

Grasping at straws? Boy, you arod haters just don't give up! I can see where Arod's NATURAL ABILITY would make you believe he juiced. However, MILK was the only thing Arod was drinking (lol)

[kingjammy24]

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1 year later and canseco's once again proven right. there are certainly many valid criticisms one can direct at canseco but at this point in time, he seems to be the only honest man standing. he's been right on every single one of the names he mentioned.

"Several years ago, in his second book, “Vindicated,” Canseco said he was “confident” Rodriguez used steroids. He went so far as to write, “I did everything but inject the guy myself,” claiming he’d introduced “A-Roid” to a supplier in Miami named Joseph Dion. Canseco wrote that the very next day, Dion called to thank him because “A-Rod had signed on.”

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Jose Canseco: A-Rod got off the hook
Friday, December 14th 2007

More than 80 players were named in one capacity or another in the Mitchell Report, but Jose Canseco was certain there would be at least one more name in the document: Alex Rodriguez.
Canseco, who was one of the players named by Sen. George Mitchell in the report, told the Fox Business Channel he was surprised not to see A-Rod's name in the report.
"All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete," Canseco said. "I could not believe that (Rodriguez's) name was not in the report."

Efforts to reach Rodriguez on Thursday night were unsuccessful. He did appear on the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric," where he said of the report: "These are guys that I play with. They're my teammates, friends, people that I respect, people that I play with every day. If anything comes of this, (I) would be extremely disappointed. I mean it would be a huge black eye on the game of baseball."
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rodriguez said if his teammates were in the mitchell report he'd be "extremely disappointed" because it'd "be a huge black eye on the game of baseball". numbnuts.

rudy.

[3arod13]

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1 year later and canseco's once again proven right. there are certainly many valid criticisms one can direct at canseco but at this point in time, he seems to be the only honest man standing. he's been right on every single one of the names he mentioned.

"Several years ago, in his second book, “Vindicated,” Canseco said he was “confident” Rodriguez used steroids. He went so far as to write, “I did everything but inject the guy myself,” claiming he’d introduced “A-Roid” to a supplier in Miami named Joseph Dion. Canseco wrote that the very next day, Dion called to thank him because “A-Rod had signed on.”

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Jose Canseco: A-Rod got off the hook
Friday, December 14th 2007

More than 80 players were named in one capacity or another in the Mitchell Report, but Jose Canseco was certain there would be at least one more name in the document: Alex Rodriguez.
Canseco, who was one of the players named by Sen. George Mitchell in the report, told the Fox Business Channel he was surprised not to see A-Rod's name in the report.
"All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete," Canseco said. "I could not believe that (Rodriguez's) name was not in the report."

Efforts to reach Rodriguez on Thursday night were unsuccessful. He did appear on the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric," where he said of the report: "These are guys that I play with. They're my teammates, friends, people that I respect, people that I play with every day. If anything comes of this, (I) would be extremely disappointed. I mean it would be a huge black eye on the game of baseball."
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rodriguez said if his teammates were in the mitchell report he'd be "extremely disappointed" because it'd "be a huge black eye on the game of baseball". numbnuts.

rudy.

I can honestly say I never would have believed it. I always believed that Arod was too talented from the start to have the need and/or desire to used performance enhancement drugs.

I will now always say...NEVER SAY NEVER!

Regards, Tony

[cjclong]

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Canseco is far from an honest man. He just happens to be right on a number of his steroid allegations. If he had a chance to get into the HOF do you think for one minute that he would have admitted his own steroid use or implicated others. While he was playing he lied about not using steroids. The only reason he has written these books is $money and trying to get even with baseball because he doesn't think he got the respect he dererves. Canseco is like a snitch in a mafia trial. He may be useful, but he deserves no respect.