Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

[suave1477]

LAWYER: PETTITTE WILL IMPLICATE CLEMENS




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ANDY PETTITTE:Admitted using HGH in 2002.






January 30, 2008 -- WASHINGTON A lawyer for Andy Pettitte's former personal trainer said yesterday he believes the pitcher will tell Congress he discussed human growth hormone with Roger ClemensRoger Clemens between the 2001 and 2002 seasons.
The lawyer, Earl Ward, said Pettitte talked about HGH with trainer Brian McNamee following a conversation with Clemens, who has denied he used HGH or steroids. McNamee worked with both Clemens and Pettitte.
"We're hopeful based on Andy's reputation that he will corroborate Brian's statements with regard to Roger," Ward said.
Pettitte's meeting with a congressional committee investigating drug use in baseball was postponed until Monday. He originally was slated to appear for a deposition or transcribed interview today but the date was changed Tuesday by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. McNamee said in last month's Mitchell Report that he injected Clemens at least 16 times with steroids or HGH in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Pettitte admitted he tried HGH for two days in 2002 - before it was banned by players and owners.

[kellsox]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

ESPN had a feature a few weeks ago which said that the media made much more out of the Clemens/Pettite friendship than was really there. It basically said that they were workout buddies and not much more.

[sylbry]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

How is being honest being a snitch? He needs to worry about himself and his family, not protecting Roger.

It isn't his problem that Roger insists on lying.

[3arod13]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

How is being honest being a snitch? He needs to worry about himself and his family, not protecting Roger.

It isn't his problem that Roger insists on lying.

Agree! It's not a matter of being a snitch. It's a matter of going to prison if he lies.

[cjclong]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

Pettitte didn't volunteer this. He was dragged in. Initially he admitted his own use of HGH and didn't implicate anyone else. The truth is the truth and he should tell the truth no matter who it effects. In addition to telling the truth being simply right, as if that wasn't reason enough, the Feds are obviously looking to file perjury charges on people. If Clemons is being truthful what Pettitte says won't hurt him and if he's not he can't really expect people to lie for him.

[David]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

Assorted points:

1) Why doe someone want Pettitte to go to jail so a lying Clemens can stay out? Isn't this totally backward? What is Clemens 'street valor' in this if he is willing to lie to have Pettitte go to jail?

2) What's wrong or errant with telling the truth, especially for a Christian like Pettitte? W

3) As far as 'snitches' go-- who is the only person under criminal prosecution? It's not Clemens, it's McNamee. So, since when is telling the truth in defense of the prosecuted considered snitching? Since when is lying (pick Pettitte or Clemens) to convicted someone considered a good thing? Someone who would lie to send an innocent person (McNamee) to prison sounds like the ultimate rat, the ultimate in scum-- far, far worse than someone whose truths send the guilty in prison. If ratting means telling the truth to protecting the innocent-- rat away, rat to your hearts content, rat 24 hours a day.

4) MLB and the world would be a better place if we had more people telling the truth, and fewer lying.

5) The people who hate snitches and rats are generally people who do wrong themselves, and fear being ratted out themselves.

6) As my mom always said, "Do the right thing."

[David]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

And one last one:

Any way you spin it, any moral system that requires a devout Christian to lie under oath sounds lie a pretty crappy moral system.

[suave1477]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

Ok Ok guys I think the whole snitch thing got out of hand I was just trying to be funny. I apologize if I offended anyone.

[3arod13]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

Ok Ok guys I think the whole snitch thing got out of hand I was just trying to be funny. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Suave1477, at least for myself, I wasn't offended. I believe we live in a society where people are expected to look the other way and not tell the truth. If you do tell the truth, then you become the bad person.

It's not right for Clemens to expect anyone to lie for him to cover his butt, if that's the case. Best friend or not, it's not right for him to expect Pettitte to lie for him. However, friends do expect friends to do this.

Personally, I wish all this steriods mess would end. I would love to see the start of baseball season be nothing about baseball. I believe we all heard enough, and there are still many who won't be exposed.

I say, let's move forward and play ball!

Tony

[3arod13]

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Suave1477, at least for myself, I wasn't offended. I believe we live in a society where people are expected to look the other way and not tell the truth. If you do tell the truth, then you become the bad person.

It's not right for Clemens to expect anyone to lie for him to cover his butt, if that's the case. Best friend or not, it's not right for him to expect Pettitte to lie for him. However, friends do expect friends to do this.

Personally, I wish all this steriods mess would end. I would love to see the start of baseball season be nothing about baseball. I believe we all heard enough, and there are still many who won't be exposed.

I say, let's move forward and play ball!

Tony

Sorry, meant: I would love to see the start of baseball season be nothing more than about baseball.

[frikativ54]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

And one last one:

Any way you spin it, any moral system that requires a devout Christian to lie under oath sounds lie a pretty crappy moral system.

Can you explain what Christianity has to do with this issue? Last time I checked, you didn't have to be religious to be a good person.

As for being a snitch, I am a firm believer that people should be honest, despite all of the ramifications.

I admire Pettitte for telling the truth about his "friend" Clemens, even if people look down upon him at first.

In the end, Pettitte can look into the faces of his family and say, "Hey, I was honest. I made some mistakes, but I told the truth and have handled matters with courage."

That's much better than what Clemens can say. I feel bad for his son Koby who has to lie on his Dad's behalf. That has to be a really uncomfortable position for any son to be in.

[cjclong]

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Suave, I don't think you offended most of us, not me anyway. I know we tend to use words like snitch when talking about someone giving information on someone. I think most people believe Pettitte should simply tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. One thing that is interesting is that there seems to be an absolute assumption Clemons is lying. I'm not naive and I know there are a lot of arguments that point in that direction, but why don't well all sit back and see where this goes and what the facts are before we make final judgments and call people liars.

[suave1477]

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Well guys in a perfect world as said before if everyone was honest including the goverment we would all be better off. But in reality including the goverment there are lies.

Where i come from you don't rat, snitch or even tell on a friend no matter what. A friend is a friend for life. You would expect the friend to come forward who did the wrong doing and confess.

As far as Pettitte is concerned I do not know the exact specifications on what they are looking for him to say, but if he is a friend to Clemens than I would still not give up anything as long as I am can not be charged with anything. My point is go in as he was supeaned too, and just sit there and give minimum facts.

Unless a friend of mine completely did something so horrible as murder, then it's not my place to drop dime.

Put it like this lets say your friend took some drugs and the cops feel your a witness they can scare you into saying tell the truth or were gonna lock you up, but the reality is if you sit there and say I was present at the time but I did not see it for myself there is really nothing they can do. You did not lie to them and you admitted being there when it was going on but you had no involvement or knowledge. Pettitte bieng a public figure would have the media on his side, if the cops tried locking him up for (in his case) telling the truth. That would be a nightmare that the goverment would not want to deal with.

[sylbry]

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Hey Suave,

I see your point. And I think in the beginning Andy tried to not implicate Roger as much as possible. However now the government is involved and if Andy doesn't speak honestly about himself or Roger he will face consequences.

Roger's problem is Andy admitted his use. He didn't lie. From what we have been told it is against his beliefs/character. And that hurt Roger's credibility.

As far as lying to protect a friend I would say that if a friend expects you to lie for him then it is time to find a new friend. And if a friend expects you to change who you are to protect them then they are absolutely not your friend in the first place.

[SkubeBats]

Re: Andy Pettitte the New Snitch???? Weren't they best friends??? I guess no more golfing!!!

sylbry I agree with you. I think Pettitte is doing the right thing by telling the truth, and I think Clemens is no friend. It's Clemens own fault not Anyd's. All he has to do is tell the truth. I think Andy is the bigger man, and I think Clemens is hidding a big secret that he hope's doesn't come out. To bad Roger!! I hope Clemens get's it in the end.
Jamie