PCCE Panel Discussion

[both-teams-played-hard]

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I'm wondering what some avid collector who stumbles upon this site for the first time will think when instead of finding useful, informative information about his passion, he finds bickering, immaturity and a serious clashing of egos. Is there a way for him to navigate around the madness and the never ending Lampson posts? Yes, we know you have no confidence in Lou lampson, let it go! Who cares what your real name is? Go back to posting useful information. There used to be real beneficial information posted here that was generated among mature, humble friends. It was a lot more fun then. Dan

Dan
It's a full moon today. By my data, 2 days before and after a full moon brings out salty attitudes from forum members. I agree that the Lampson topic is old hat. Let's discuss steroids, potential HOFers, ManRam, Steiner, X-bats and other meaningful topics.

Warren Humphrey
Los Angeles, CA.
Todd Davis' social security number:457-55-5462
b-t-p-h@earthlink.net

[trsent]

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Dan
It's a full moon today. By my data, 2 days before and after a full moon brings out salty attitudes from forum members. I agree that the Lampson topic is old hat. Let's discuss steroids, potential HOFers, ManRam, Steiner, X-bats and other meaningful topics.

Warren Humphrey
Los Angeles, CA.
Todd Davis' social security number:457-55-5462
b-t-p-h@earthlink.net

Warren, is Todd Davis that guy on the radio who is trying to sell a service to protect your credit?

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Warren, is Todd Davis that guy on the radio who is trying to sell a service to protect your credit?

Yes. If you know someone trying to open a credit card with his name, then please call lifelock.

[aeneas01]

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I would first like to say that I noticed where you have recently started listing contact information in each of your post. I am assuming and hoping that at this point, you have had no adverse repercussions.

while my decision to post my name and email in the sig field may seem to coincide with the smattering of outcries for more accountability and transparency, let me assure you that it's just a coincidence. i decided to post my info because a couple of forum members that i correspond with regularly outside of the board had contacted me on behalf of other members, members they have known and communicated with for years. as it turns out, and no surprise here, we have some very considerate members here at guu that apparently felt contacting me outside of the board, despite having access to my email, would be an intrusion given that i didn't publicly post my info. as such, i decided to post my contact info to let these forum members know they are free to contact me directly at any time. and to those members that did approach me in such a considerate manner, it was very much appreciated.

Regarding your recent post, I have worked for several newspapers in two states, so I have a very thorough understanding of how it all works. As we all know, anyone with a computer can post on any newspaper's "discussion board" (fancy name for a "chat room"). However, one's opinions will never make it into the legitimate newspaper print unless they properly identify themselves. There is no "nonsense" about that - it's the way it works, and it works quite well.

what does this have to do with the price of rice in china mark? the topic is whether or not forum members should be required to post their full names and contact info when they post to a discussion board, not whether or not they should be required to provide this info when submitting an op ed piece to a newspaper. you claimed that there are other discussion boards that require registered members to state their full name and contact info after every post and implied that there was some sort of journalistic reasoning for this - and i stated that this was nonsense. because it is. and, fwiw, a discussion board is not a fancy name for a chat room - they are two different animals.

As for "discussion boards" not requiring an ID, I will quote the words of another memorabilia website - words written by one of the most respected gentlemen in this hobby: "For posts on this forum, ALL USERS MUST list a complete identification (first and last name) along with a VALID E-MAIL address. This is to ensure that there is complete accountability for anything a person wishes to state and a means for someone to contact them. As this service is available to both subscribers and non-subscribers, the rules apply to all users."

i would suggest you take a closer look at this mark...

On another point you raised, I never insinuated that anyone was a coward - I never even called anyone out by name.

and i didn't say that you did mark. look, if folks don't feel like offering this info every time they post i understand entirely and all the power to them. and if folks want to include this info i say the same, great and all the power to them - heck, it's a great way to promote one's business free of charge...

[G1X]

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Robert,

One of my favorite local ads here in the DC area ends with the following statement, "If you don't get it, you don't get it".

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[grandpahoo]

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I need a cheatsheet so I can keep track of who's fighting with whom.

[trsent]

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I need a cheatsheet so I can keep track of who's fighting with whom.

I don't think there is any fighting, I believe the problem is there are a few issues in this discussion.

First, no one stood up and challenged the three authenticators during their live discussion last Friday. It was too bad, and I blame myself, I got stuck in traffic and missed the discussion.

Second, this switched to a debate over if people should have to sign all posts with their real name and email address. All forum rules appear to have been followed in this topic, just many people feel there should be more accountability on this forum, even though no one is breaking any rules.

The problem you see is some people have a hard time discussing a topic and take offense to people who don't see things their way. I thought the concept of a forum such as this was so we could show both sides to any topic.

Can you guess who I'm supporting this November?

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Can you guess who I'm supporting this November?

Joel
Let's keep politics and religion off of this forum. Thanks in advance for your understanding!

[aeneas01]

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Robert,

One of my favorite local ads here in the DC area ends with the following statement, "If you don't get it, you don't get it".

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

mark, what is it that you think i "don't get"?

- i get that a discussion board is not a chat room, that they are two completely different animals - you are under the impression that they are the same thing, that a discussion board is, as you put it, just a "fancy name for a chat room".

- i get that an internet discussion board is not the same as the op ed section of a newspaper - you're under the impression that they are the same thing.

- i get that most (all?) discussion boards do not require registered members to furnish their full names and contact info after every post - you are under the impression that the opposite is true.

- i get why most (all?) discussion boards do not require registered members to furnish their full names and contact info - not only are you under the impression that many boards do require this info, but you are also under the impression that "anyone with a basic journalism background" understands why.

- i get that accountability is in place whether or not a forum member chooses to provide their full name and contact info at the end of every post, i get that they can be held legally responsible for what they write - you are under the impression that unless a full name and contact info is provided after every post a forum member is an untraceable ghost.

if you ask me, those that pine for full names and contact info after every post aren't seeking accountability - they're seeking leverage. and i, for one, am happy to see that forum moderators didn't side with you on this mark.

[G1X]

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Robert,

What a wonderful job of putting words in my mouth. You are literally making things up as you go along, adding things that were never written, taking statements out of context, and then rolling it up into one great big ball and interpreting it all as you see fit. Why don't you just go ahead and rewrite my posts while you are at it.

You seem to have missed the crux of my original point and got off on lord-knows-what tangents that were never written. I am talking apples and the next thing I know, you are saying that I am talking about zebras. You keep referring to all of these things that "I am under the impression of", and I have no idea where I stated any of those things. A simple point and analogy that I was trying to make has suddenly taken a life form of its own.

I am not even sure why I am bothering to respond as this has gotten so out of hand. I somehow find myself trying to defend my words that were not even my words to begin with. I find myself being "under the impression" of things that I never knew that I was "under the impression of". This is all sort of surreal, but I want to personally thank Robert for pointing all of this out to me.

One of the best adages I ever heard goes something like this, "The height of arrogance is to tell someone else what they are thinking."

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[aeneas01]

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Robert, What a wonderful job of putting words in my mouth. You are literally making things up as you go along...

sorry mark, didn't think i was putting words in your mouth given your following statements, words, which led me to believe you were under the impressions i outlined earlier.

.."discussion board" (fancy name for a "chat room").

Most publications such as your local newspaper will not publish an opinion piece (such as a "Letter to the Editor") without identifying the writer. They require that you identify yourself before they will publish your opinion piece. And no matter how many times you have an opinion published or are on file with the publication, your contact information is printed each and every time you are published.

There are other websites that require signing your full name and contact information each time you post. Anyone with a basic journalism background understands this concept and the reason for it.

There is no hiding as it's (user name and contact info) all there in the open attached to your words. There is no searching old newspapers, archives, or a publication's data base to figure out who the writer is.

you believe that forum members should be required to furnish their full names and contact info after every post - in your first post to this thread you complimented joel for doing this and in your next post you complimented andrew for doing this as you were under the impression (sorry) that this was guu forum policy. then, in an effort to support your opinion, you pointed to newspaper policies and then claimed that other discussion boards require this of registered members. and that's when i jumped in with my dos centavos.

so let's leave it at this: you think it should be mandatory, i don't. you can't convince me and i can't convince you. but it was a topic worth debating.

on an entirely different note, there's something i've been wanting to ask you for quite some time - why don't you have a website for your great items? it's clear that you are one of the most, if not the most, reputable and honest dealers around given the extremely positive experiences guu members have had with you. is it that ebay meets all of your needs? you don't want to hassle with a website? if it's the later, have you ever checked out the homestead diy website? it's an amazing product, amazingly affordable, outstanding customer service, great e-commerce capabilities, the list goes on. i mention this because i am currently building my business's website using their product and it's a snap! it's so great that i will probably use it again to set up another site to sell my helmets when the time comes - or at least use it to show my inventory when i offer them at guu!

[G1X]

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Robert,

Yes, I thought that it was a topic worth discussing as I feel that there are both pros and cons to the issue, but we probabaly got a little side-tracked. My apologies for being condescending in a couple of my remarks. I was a bit frustrated as I felt that you were making assumptions that weren't my intent. I can see where we were perhaps not on the same page as it appears from your last post that you thought that I assumed it was GUU policy for members to post their full names and contact info. I was only trying to say that I wish people would post their name.

I had discussed this topic with Chris about a year ago giving my opinions on the pros of changing the policy to make it a requirement, and I did so again this past week. I knew that it probably wouldn't fly, but I felt strong enough about it to discuss. I accept and respect Chris' decision, and understand folks' concerns about spams, viruses, etc.

My main point about other websites requiring full information in each post was to point to MEARS and their requirement. I was not intending to insinuate that there were many websites that have this requirement because I assume that probably 99% do not require it. I was trying to point out that it is possible and can be workable. Maybe I should have been more distinct and just said MEARS and left it at that.

As for the newspaper thing, I was trying to point out that opinions such as "Letters to the Editor" (not op-eds, as that is a different animal) require an identification, and maybe that could be a model to follow. Having experience in that field, it is something that is kind of ingrained in the brain, and I felt that it was something to strive for on our end.

Anyway, enough of all of that as I fear that I'm going to receive death threats if I don't shut up. My apologies to the forum members for the boredom and the dead horse (it's now a skeleton).

Thanks for the information on the website and the very kind words. There's actually a little method to the madness in my set-up. I don't even use ebay to sell items (but I buy way too much on ebay ). I'll email you offline later this week and discuss further as the website sounds like something worth looking into.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[dodgersfan]

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Let's lock this one up.


Rudy