Question on new classified

[RKGIBSON]

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Wow, I did not ask the question to create this type of response. Personally, I think the limit is ridiculous. I ask the question to get a response from GUU and to provoke thought and debate on this rule. As a paying member, I think we should try and make the forum better by questioning and talking about thing such as this.

I am in business myself so I expect no one to provide a service for no return. If the for sale section rule is about money then I think it needs to be done a different way. Create a For Sale button that triggers a login for paying members to post items. Something other than the $500.00 limit that you have now.

Yes, I bring this up because I have bought some really good items for my collection from forum members that have posted here. All were over $500.00. This forum says it is to bring collectors together. I read this as a attempt to control everything. There are other things that need regulated much more that the for sale section such as the personal attacks on forum and non-forum members.

I respectfully ask this question to completely understand it.

Roger

[mvandor]

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Frik, while I understand and even share in your concerns, your way of presenting your points is coming across as sabre rattling, and over the top. You're just working your way toward a ban no one will argue over with your views getting lost in the process.

The bottom line IMHO is that the limit is principally motivated by the desire to channel higher valued items into the auctions. I've been a business man for 25 years and that's extremely clear to me. The other reasons given are so far down the list as to be nearly irrelevant, even to some extent on the liability concerns. IMHO there is FAR more liability exposure in just offering the forums because of the perennial criticisms (usually well founded) against bad product and bad people populating the industry which could generate legal backlash.

Alot of the recent unrest here seems to me to be based on some of us waking up to the fact that GUU has now shed its altruistic clothing to become a for-profit business, and that shifting management decisions altering the landscape here are now business driven. Personally, I now view the forums as a loss leader, a part of The GUU Auction House's marketing plan to attract potential auction clients, and that will forever affect how I look at and feel about these forums.

If others are reacting that way as well, I understand.

Does it mean the forums will lose their value to the community? Likely not so long as Chris continues to exercise some sensitivity and light handedness in administration of the thing. A few too many bans or other actions appearing profit driven, however, will most certainly drive some away seeking the non-profit environment this once seemed like.

[ironmanfan]

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They actually give 90% of proceeds to charity. I am happy that I can get a game-used item and still have my money still go to a good cause.

Please show me exactly where MLB.com gives "90% of proceeds to charity." Some of their GU listings, the proceeds from a particular Line Up card for example will go to that particular teams charity, but please show me where MLB.com themselves (the entity actually holding the auction) gives 90% to charity of their cut. And thinking this yourself, when you bitched to them enough to actually get some money back on that Bagwell, lineup card, that you were taking money away from these so called "good causes?"

[allstarsplus]

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I have spoken to some collectors that look at the site but don't Post because they don't want all the drama that goes with Posts here.

In my opinion, it is Threads like this that turn people away.

Frik, you have made some good contributions in the past but recently the Posts have been very Off Topic. We certainly don't need to hear about your political views as there are enough Forums where you can do that.

I think if Chris was limiting items to $500 or less so he could get them on his Auction he is shortsighted as he would have homefield advantage to look at premium items and try to get the sellers to put them on the auction. Just my opinion.

As far as dealers go, I would be a dealer under the current system that can't sell on here, but it is good to keep some away who don't contribute to the site but would only want to use this as their personal listing site and that would not be good. I think dealers that have posted 500 or more times have shown they have contributed and should be allowed to Post on the "For Sale". Chris, what do you think of that idea?

[Vintagedeputy]

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Suggestion for the new classified, maybe GUU should require all for sale items to be posted with a picture. That way all members can see an item rather then just who is interested. it will enable members to better police the items by having more partys view it and give a opinion based on a visual examination rather the just name recognition. It may also deter people "dealers" from mass posting due to the fact it would take them more time and effort to post.
Thanks For Reading Scott

That's not a bad idea. Sounds good to me.

[jetersbatboy]

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Suggestion for the new classified, maybe GUU should require all for sale items to be posted with a picture. That way all members can see an item rather then just who is interested. it will enable members to better police the items by having more partys view it and give a opinion based on a visual examination rather the just name recognition. It may also deter people "dealers" from mass posting due to the fact it would take them more time and effort to post.
Thanks For Reading Scott

[trsent]

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I wish there was an ignore button on this site........................

There is!

Click User CP (blue Bar on top part of screen)
Click under Miscellaneous: Buddy/Ignore Lists

Enter new user to list!

[chakes89]

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I wish there was an ignore button on this site........................

[both-teams-played-hard]

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The problem is that I am left

The irony is I actually agree with Frik's political views 100%. I have already admitted that i'm a wanna-be subversive radical (and that is no joke).

I expose the fact that certain dealers are out only for profits.

As opposed to the dealers who sell items for less than they paid...just for kicks?

[frikativ54]

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mlb.com makes a pretty quick buck.

They actually give 90% of proceeds to charity. I am happy that I can get a game-used item and still have my money still go to a good cause.

[b.heagy]

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mlb.com makes a pretty quick buck.

[frikativ54]

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Leslie,

To be very honest, it seems your only purpose in coming here to the site is to try to discredit us for whatever reason.

Have you read many of my other posts? I have done far more than discredit this forum. Matter of fact, I have not even discredited this forum at all; I just am concerned with some of the things that have happened here in the last 10 days. I did not complain about GUU at any time previous to AWA85's banning, and it is only in the past 10 days that I have heard some disturbing stories about GUU. As for my contributions to this forum, I often post asking questions, reply to others' want ads, or exposing forgers and scammers (remember manica71). Furthermore, through my persistence, I have influenced the way that MLB.com Auctions ships lineup cards, and they have also promised to improve their customer service. I have also stood up to sexism on this board, which I view is an invaluable contribution.

1) The information you are posting is incorrect. For example, I am personally at the grass roots and I have heard more times then you can imagine how collectors value what we are doing and trust us as much, if not more, than just about any entity in the hobby. The FBI even commended us for the way we are running our business and said they use this site to help them get information about the hobby. Your comments to try to discredit us are simply not true and unfounded.

Would you tell us if people said any different?

2) I have spoken with quite a few very knowledgeable collectors (including quite a few at the National) who told me they love the site and read the forum but will not post because they don't want to have to debate with negative posters like you. Personally, I have relationships with these collectors and can ask them for information whenever I need it. The problem is the constant negativity from people like you is preventing knowledgeable people from posting and depriving the other members of the forum the knowledge other collectors would be willing to share otherwise.

Did people at the National actually tell you that frikativ54 was their reason for not posting on Game Used Universe? I highly doubt it. You have constructed a world where everybody who critiques this website is seen as against the noble ideas of Game Used Universe. I have done a lot for this site with my attention to detail, willingness to ask questions, and going to bat for the collector.

My problem is that critiques of forum policies and members business practices only result in ad hominem attacks against me. I get made fun of on this board, and yet I am the one who is accused of personal attacks. I just don't understand it. I simply would like to rid the collecting community of those who just want to make a quick buck, and for that, I am vilified. Furthermore, I am attacked because of my negativity. However, I am only reporting my true experiences in this hobby.

Instead of accusing me of not making contributions to this board, why not answer my questions about when AWA85 is going to be reinstated? Why not refrain from deleting my posts when I am concerned about certain forum members' business practices?

The problem is that I am left in a position of either expressing generall anger or getting censured because I expose the fact that certain dealers are out only for profits.

[frikativ54]

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Yo Frik -

For the amount of complaining you do about GUU, you sure like posting in the forum. I am guessing that there is a part of you that is bitter - and looking for confrontation from someone somewhere.

I am extremely frustrated. In several threads, I have stated the reasons why I am bitter, and I am repeatedly mocked on this site. For example, I am concerned about the poor business ethics of some on this forum, and I am derided as some Leftist hippie whacko who plays protest music. I am a political moderate, and yet Warren tells me that I am against all wars and makes social activist references I don't even understand.

In truth, I am a political activist, and I do see connections between some of what is written about Game Used Collecting and politics. This board is far more conservative than I am, and it can be frustrating, in that what you believe is good business, to me is unethical. I have a big problem with flipping, especially if you are ripping off an unsuspecting buyer. And I don't believe that just because a business can do something, that it is the right thing to do.

You use big words that are not necessary to get your point across. They do not make you sound any more educated than other members...everyone with a computer has access to a thesaurus.

I have never once used a Thesaurus when posting here. I state my ideas in the words that come to my mind. If the way they are formulated bothers you, then I have no panacea.

I think that if I were you, and I had the attitude you appear to have about this site - I would have no problem naming the names of the members who are "scammers", etc. You might as well, lately it seems like you are TRYING to get booted. Every other post or thread you make is something to do with the powers that be here.

I am between a rock and a hard place. If I state names, my threads will be deleted and called "personal attacks". Yet I am seriously concerned, because there are people on this forum who have been selling bad items, and they get away with it. And there are others like Lou Lampson who are constantly lampooned, even though they haven't done much questionable lately.

Peace...I hope you eventually find it.
Your friend in St. Louis,

I hope I find it soon. This hobby has really been an introduction to the dark side of business for me.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Motley Crue said it best.......



Dont go away mad......
Just go away

[bigtruck260]

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And for the dealer whose name has never come up, he should count himself lucky. Because I would be violating confidence as well if I name names.

Yo Frik -

For the amount of complaining you do about GUU, you sure like posting in the forum. I am guessing that there is a part of you that is bitter - and looking for confrontation from someone somewhere.

You use big words that are not necessary to get your point across. They do not make you sound any more educated than other members...everyone with a computer has access to a thesaurus.

I think that if I were you, and I had the attitude you appear to have about this site - I would have no problem naming the names of the members who are "scammers", etc. You might as well, lately it seems like you are TRYING to get booted. Every other post or thread you make is something to do with the powers that be here.

I like you Frik, you do contribute - and I know you are a passionate fan/collector. However, the confrontational posting is becoming tiresome.
If you don't like the site, try going to another Game Used site that offers a forum such as this one.

Peace...I hope you eventually find it.
Your friend in St. Louis,