Again Why Was My For Sale Thread Deleted??? Admins??

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: Again Why Was My For Sale Thread Deleted??? Admins??

Thus far, I've stayed out of this latest argument. Part of this is because I've already stated my opinion in prior threads. Part of this is also because I have no use for those gutless members that will send me a pm telling me to stop "F..king brown nosing" and then they dont have the 'stones' to accept pm's in return for my reply.

The point has been made here above by many others. If you dont like the conditions here, the treatment, the rules, the members, etc......LEAVE!

If you would like to discuss game used items in a manner befitting adults, then by all means stay.

My children whine less than some folks here.........

[3arod13]

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For the critics of this website, why don't you invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars it takes to create such an online destination and make it free for everyone, with no chance to re-coup your investment and time it takes to manage it. I would imagine you would have to quit your job and dedicate at least 60 or more hours a week to it. IF your not willing to do this, then just be greatful you have a place to share your collecting interst and knowledge. For the dealers out there, how many of you have sold items here? Don't you think it is time to support something that is good for this industry?

Chris keep up the good work, you will never make everyone happy. For those who constantly complain about this forum, stop coming to this website.

TW

TW, well said! Without question, the best statement made!

[yankees159]

Re: Again Why Was My For Sale Thread Deleted??? Admins??

For the critics of this website, why don't you invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars it takes to create such an online destination and make it free for everyone, with no chance to re-coup your investment and time it takes to manage it. I would imagine you would have to quit your job and dedicate at least 60 or more hours a week to it. IF your not willing to do this, then just be greatful you have a place to share your collecting interst and knowledge. For the dealers out there, how many of you have sold items here? Don't you think it is time to support something that is good for this industry?

Chris keep up the good work, you will never make everyone happy. For those who constantly complain about this forum, stop coming to this website.

TW

[3arod13]

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The low-point of this forum are the people that come here to bicker, complain, attack. They appear not to be happy with the site, but yet return again and again to complain and cause arguments. Feel free to go elsewhere.

Earlier today I started a neat thread about holy grails. I guess by mistake my meaning was what would be the last thing you'd keep if you had to move everything but one - and right away I had at least 3 people complaining about my wording, etc. Sad.

Skyking26, I agree. I've noticed, especially over the past year, that this forum has become more of a place where everyone just wants to complain, instead of talking about game used memorabilia.

I understand everyone's concerns. Many valid comments. However, we are visitors and participants in this forum. Not the owner.

Freedom of speech is a good thing. However, some just go way overboard.

Appreciate what this forum offers. Enjoy it. It's not all that bad.

[skyking26]

Re: Again Why Was My For Sale Thread Deleted??? Admins??

The low-point of this forum are the people that come here to bicker, complain, attack. They appear not to be happy with the site, but yet return again and again to complain and cause arguments. Feel free to go elsewhere.

Earlier today I started a neat thread about holy grails. I guess by mistake my meaning was what would be the last thing you'd keep if you had to move everything but one - and right away I had at least 3 people complaining about my wording, etc. Sad.

Re: Again Why Was My For Sale Thread Deleted??? Admins??

Are you guys for real? This is getting ridiculous. Enjoy what is offerred or move on.

What makes so many of you think you can dictate to the owners of this forum how to run it?

What I really don't care for is the rudeness and attacking comments made against the owners.

If I were them, I'd reconsider banning some of you!

VERY WELL SAID !

Plus , People KNOW if they are a dealer or not.
Chris answered the original posters comments , they just were NOT what the poster wanted to hear so around and around and around we go.
If people dont like the way the site is being run NOW , then leave.

[mvandor]

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Are you guys for real? This is getting ridiculous. Enjoy what is offerred or move on.

What makes so many of you think you can dictate to the owners of this forum how to run it?

What I really don't care for is the rudeness and attacking comments made against the owners.

If I were them, I'd reconsider banning some of you!

Frankly, the business owner is bringing this on himself to a large extent by the way in which he's chosen to deal with the forum membership lately (interpret that as "prospective customers" and "sources of income" for GUU). It's simply rubbing some of us the wrong way, particularly those that cherish this place for what it was when it felt like a non-profit by collector for collector venue, rather than a prospect pool for an online auction biz.

It's less a matter of the site's policies and more the style in which they're being enforced the past month or so.

[3arod13]

Re: Again Why Was My For Sale Thread Deleted??? Admins??

Are you guys for real? This is getting ridiculous. Enjoy what is offerred or move on.

What makes so many of you think you can dictate to the owners of this forum how to run it?

What I really don't care for is the rudeness and attacking comments made against the owners.

If I were them, I'd reconsider banning some of you!

[b.heagy]

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Jason,
Chris responded to you. It seems you are considered a dealer. Tough to sort through all the posts but it is there. Not sure if that is the question you are seeking an answer for.

[suave1477]

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Hello Chris,

Well again this is the 3rd time you have posted a response and have failed to answer any of my concerns/questions.

Yet I am the one who started this thread to get an understanding.

I even said to you if you want to consider me a dealer that is fine I can live with that but can you address my other concerns???

Especially since I am the one who started this thread!!!!

I am not giving any negativity I am just asking for an understanding which in your 3 responses you repeatedly keep ignoring.

[trsent]

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With that said, if you are going to continue posting here I think everyone would appreciate it if the focus was on how we can continue to help each other make the hobby better.

For some reason, reading this would be better suited to have We Are The World playing in the background.

[ChrisCavalier]

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Chris,

Just to be clear, you need to generate revenue to make money for yourself and the owners of GUU. You make it sound like the site couldn't exist without being a business, when in fact, it would exist and thrive without being a business just as it did when Eric ran it. You don't need to do what you are doing to keep the site up, you choose to do it to try and make money, which is fine. This site could exist without an auction and fee based for sale section.....

Regards,
Dave

Hello Dave,

You are absolutely correct that we are running a business. However, I think your assumption that Eric would have been willing to continue to commit significant financial resources and all his personal time to run this site as a charity is a bit misguided. In fact, that is the reason the forum was sold to GUU as a business transaction. It was not given to us as a gift.

To be clear, there is nothing wrong with Eric selling the forum as a business transaction. He invested a great deal of his time and money to get the site going. I don't think it would have been fair for him to invest significant time and resources without the hope of some return. That simply wouldn't be fair. I think the same is also true for GUU. We have invested a great deal of time and money to create something we believe is helping the collecting community. That is what good businesses do. They recognize an unmet need in a market and invest to create a product or service that will help people. If they achieve that objective the business should succeed.

Notably, the forum is still free to members the same way it has always been. We also have the collector to collector classifieds section which is also free to any collector wanting to use it. The real issue is that some of the members also want us to allow everyone to sell on the site for free and run the site as a charity. Rather than being thanked (like Joel graciously did in his post), we have been attacked for trying to run a business.

I agree with some of the recent posts about the negativity and complaining. If you really think it is fair to expect people to invest large amounts of their time and energy and run this site as a charity, you can do one of the following:

1) You can invest your own time and a great deal of money (this site has grown because we have spent a large amount of money not only on developing the site but also advertising it, going to trade shows, etc.) and set up your own site as a charitable entity.

2) You can buy the forum from us (the same way we did from Eric) and you can run it as a charity.

It's sad I have to say that because I believe, and have heard in person from untold numbers of people first hand, that they think what we are doing is the greatest thing that has ever happened to the hobby. Not only is the forum free for people to use but the transaction models we have created are more transparent than collectors have ever seen while also allowing them to get all the answers they need for items of interest rather than solely relying on the opinions of a select few.

Personally, I agree that it is wearying to have to hear these negative comments. I think it would be much better to focus on how we can help each other the way the site is intended. On a separate note, as for us being "heavy-handed" we have allowed numerous personal attacks directed toward us while it would have been perfectly in our right to ban or suspend people in accordance to the rules. In fact, I have received quite a few emails and personal comments asking why we haven't banned some people from the site already. The answer is, that is not what we are about. We are about creating a community where people can contribute to the benefit of one another.

With that said, if you are going to continue posting here I think everyone would appreciate it if the focus was on how we can continue to help each other make the hobby better.

[sylbry]

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If you are going to be in the business of selling memorabilia then you will also need an outlet to sell them. It is a necessary business expense. For some time dealers were able to list their inventory for free via GUU. GUU asked for nothing in return.

Now GUU, having a new direction in mind, cut the free listings for dealers. Afterall it isn't one business' job to subsidize another business' expenses. To that I say to the dealers, adapt, move on, or get out of the business.

And I reluctantly say it because the quality of items in the for sale section has greatly decreased which in turn affects us all.

GUU may want to think about adding a "dealer directory" where for a small fee dealers could have a link to their own websites. Just a thought.

I do believe a line needs to be drawn distinguishing a dealer to avoid all of this confusion. Personally I believe if you buy more items with the intention of resale than you do for your collection then you are a dealer.

Bottom line is GUU is a private business that can be run anyway the owners choose. They could turn the site into a Pez dispenser forum if they really wanted and no one can tell them differently. On that same note GUU must recognize that as a business they need to be clearer with their policies and provide better communication.

[3arod13]

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Wow! How much GUU has changed since I found it a few years ago.

So much negativity today.

Don't get me wrong. There are many valid points. However, it just seems to keep going on...and on...and on.

As I stated before...you can't please everyone.

[3arod13]

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Wow! How much GUU has changed since I found it a few years ago.

So much negativity today.