Whats a better value?

[joelsabi]

the wayne gretzky honus wagner card or mcfarlane 63rd HR baseball? and why.

[harpt]

Re: Whats a better value?

I always wonder how many of those Honus Wagner cards are out there and yet to be discovered. Let's say something crazy happens and 5 of those cards are found in different attics over time...some of them in nice shape. I realize this is highly unlikely, but it is at least possible. These discoveries, obviously, would have an effect on the price of each of these cards.

The thing a home run ball has going for it...in my opinion...is that it will always be the only one; noone will ever uncover the same ball at a flea market. There will be more homerun balls...some more significant...but the one you have can not be replaced and holds it's historical value, even when dollar value goes down because records get broken, and player's reputations are questioned, etc.

I guess I didn't really answer the question at all.

[bigtruck260]

Re: Whats a better value?

Value? Wow, we are talking about a card that has a strong possibility of being trimmed vs. a ball that might have been tainted with the steroid era.

Both are over-valued. The Wagner card in any condition is selling great these days, but for $2 million, I'll take a nice house and a Saleen S7. The only thing going for it is the controversy and noteriety. How many cards have had as much press? There was an entire book dedicated to it...The Card - which is a great read, and will open your eyes to card grading.

As far as the 62nd (I assumed you meant the record-breaker) Mac Ball....this ball was part of a major historical event in the history of baseball. Even if both Mac and Sammy took illegal steroids (neither was PROVEN guilty)...the ball still has value as a historical piece - kind of like the stuff from the Black Sox scandal. They brought the sport to levels it had never been to.

In time, there will be other Wagner cards to surface - like Scott mentioned. If you meant the 63rd ball, since #62 is in Mac's collection, it's not as valuable to me - personally. It is kind of like Aaron's 716th...what did that go for?

[joelsabi]

Re: Whats a better value?

Value? Wow, we are talking about a card that has a strong possibility of being trimmed vs. a ball that might have been tainted with the steroid era.

Both are over-valued. The Wagner card in any condition is selling great these days, but for $2 million, I'll take a nice house and a Saleen S7. The only thing going for it is the controversy and noteriety. How many cards have had as much press? There was an entire book dedicated to it...The Card - which is a great read, and will open your eyes to card grading.

As far as the 62nd (I assumed you meant the record-breaker) Mac Ball....this ball was part of a major historical event in the history of baseball. Even if both Mac and Sammy took illegal steroids (neither was PROVEN guilty)...the ball still has value as a historical piece - kind of like the stuff from the Black Sox scandal. They brought the sport to levels it had never been to.

In time, there will be other Wagner cards to surface - like Scott mentioned. If you meant the 63rd ball, since #62 is in Mac's collection, it's not as valuable to me - personally. It is kind of like Aaron's 716th...what did that go for?

yes to clarify the single season record breaking hr baseball. dont know who owns that baseball.

[bigtruck260]

Re: Whats a better value?

yes to clarify the single season record breaking hr baseball. dont know who owns that baseball.

Joel - as far as I know, Mac still owns #62. It was quite a big deal here in STL, as a grounds keeper found the ball and presented it to Mac after the game ended. His name is Tim Forneris.

[joelsabi]

Re: Whats a better value?

quick google.

McFarlane is doing something positive with the McGwire ball. He also owns six other McGwire home-run balls from 1998 -- Nos. 1, 63, 64, 67, 68 and 69 -- and three Sammy Sosa home-run balls -- Nos. 33, 61 and 66.

Should have done some research but was trying to compare the most expensive card to the most expensive game used item.

Mark McGwire's 70th HR ball sold for $3.1 million and I think THE Card sold privately for around $2.4 million recently.

So which is a better value and why.

Thought this would be interesting to hear people's opinions on this,.

[joelsabi]

Re: Whats a better value?

I always wonder how many of those Honus Wagner cards are out there and yet to be discovered. Let's say something crazy happens and 5 of those cards are found in different attics over time...some of them in nice shape. I realize this is highly unlikely, but it is at least possible. These discoveries, obviously, would have an effect on the price of each of these cards.

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I doubt there will be a cleaner Honus Wagner card out there so i dont think future discoveries will be the best example out ther. It should not effect the price of that PSA 8 card.

[joelsabi]

Re: Whats a better value?

Joel - as far as I know, Mac still owns #62. It was quite a big deal here in STL, as a grounds keeper found the ball and presented it to Mac after the game ended. His name is Tim Forneris.

Dave, You are correct. Spoken like a true Cardinal Fan

[panthrotc]

Re: Whats a better value?

Joel - as far as I know, Mac still owns #62. It was quite a big deal here in STL, as a grounds keeper found the ball and presented it to Mac after the game ended. His name is Tim Forneris.

you are wrong sir. THe 62 HR ball is currently in the HOF along with the bat mac used to hit it.

[suave1477]

Re: Whats a better value?

Just to point out as far as the Honus Wagner card, even if more were discovered years later example 1 to 5 cards would have no effect on value because of it still being one of the most rarest cards, desired cards, and in decent conditions cards to come across.

The only possible way the value would change on a Honus Wagner card if someone found a box of 250 of them in there attic in pristine condition.

[bigtruck260]

Re: Whats a better value?

you are wrong sir. THe 62 HR ball is currently in the HOF along with the bat mac used to hit it.

You are right. We were just talking about this over the weekend...
I wonder how much of his baseball stuff he really has laying around his crib?

Anyway, one of my buddies mentioned that stuff from #62 is in the Hall.

[panthrotc]

Re: Whats a better value?

You are right. We were just talking about this over the weekend...
I wonder how much of his baseball stuff he really has laying around his crib?

Anyway, one of my buddies mentioned that stuff from #62 is in the Hall.

mcgwire got rid of everything from the 98 season. I heard him say it himself in an interview he did back after he retired on espn and i heard again in a interview that was done a couple years ago. He gave all of the magical season stuff to family, friends, coaches, umpires and players. I dont know what he has left from the a's days, i know he has his ROY award in storage and he definately still has his 89 world series ring.

[bigtruck260]

Re: Whats a better value?

mcgwire got rid of everything from the 98 season. I heard him say it himself in an interview he did back after he retired on espn and i heard again in a interview that was done a couple years ago. He gave all of the magical season stuff to family, friends, coaches, umpires and players. I dont know what he has left from the a's days, i know he has his ROY award in storage and he definately still has his 89 world series ring.

I know that Cards wheeled out a red Corvette when he hit #62 too. I think it was a '62 convertible. He only drove it a few times before it shot craps on him. I wonder where it went...?

His ex-wife's current husband is a dealer/body guy in CA, maybe he knows...anyway, looks like Mac is putting the past behind him literally.
If he ever makes it to the hall (no arguments here, don't want to hijack the thread)...will he wear the A's hat or the Card's hat? Seems he got most of his major accomplishments in STL - Aside from ROY and the homer mark he tied that season.

Crazy that he'd get rid of it ALL.

[mr.miracle]

Re: Whats a better value?

mcgwire got rid of everything from the 98 season. I heard him say it himself in an interview he did back after he retired on espn and i heard again in a interview that was done a couple years ago. He gave all of the magical season stuff to family, friends, coaches, umpires and players. I dont know what he has left from the a's days, i know he has his ROY award in storage and he definately still has his 89 world series ring.

Looks like Big Mac does not have much of anything left period.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/75A91E269065599E862574BC003D3980?OpenDocument

McGwire is long on memories but short on actual memorabilia. This is by choice.

Other than a picture in his office of son Matt and himself around a batting cage in 1998, McGwire said, "I don’t know if I have one piece of any memorabilia from that year. I know what I did with it. I gave everything away. I gave away all my shoes, all my jerseys, all my batting gloves, all my bats — to all the players and coaches, visiting players, umpires, family members and friends. Even Bobby Knight has some stuff.

"People asked me, ‘Why aren’t you keeping any of this for yourself?’ I said, ‘You know what? I have the memories in my mind and that means more than having something special.’ I wanted everybody on my team, my friends, my opponents to have a piece of this."

[joelsabi]

Re: Whats a better value?

Looks like Big Mac does not have much of anything left period.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/75A91E269065599E862574BC003D3980?OpenDocument

McGwire is long on memories but short on actual memorabilia. This is by choice.

Other than a picture in his office of son Matt and himself around a batting cage in 1998, McGwire said, "I don’t know if I have one piece of any memorabilia from that year. I know what I did with it. I gave everything away. I gave away all my shoes, all my jerseys, all my batting gloves, all my bats — to all the players and coaches, visiting players, umpires, family members and friends. Even Bobby Knight has some stuff.

"People asked me, ‘Why aren’t you keeping any of this for yourself?’ I said, ‘You know what? I have the memories in my mind and that means more than having something special.’ I wanted everybody on my team, my friends, my opponents to have a piece of this."

Nice article.

McGuire experienced the memory. McGuire tried to share his memory through momentos/objects to people he cared about that had witnessed his memory.