Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

[gameused fan]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Plus, if it makes you feel any better, I once spent $225 on a game-used Military hat worn by Tony Gwynn.

Yeah, not the Tony Gwynn who had 3,000 hits. But his kid, who still can't play worth a lick for the Brewers.

It wasn't a good purchase at the time. Now, it's even worse. I don't feel good about myself. I often wonder what the hell I was thinking. But, we live and learn.

If anybody wants to buy a Tony Gwynn Jr. game-used hat, I'll give it to you for $230. It's actually fair market value, if you consider what I paid for it. I even have it photo matched.

Aw, heck, first guy or gal who offers $200 for it, I'll take it!

[GarkoCollector]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

I sometimes wonder why I waste time with people who don't share my sense of what moral is.

That seems to be a continuing issue...you feel that people are wrong if they dont think the way you do. I think you are wrong for feeling that way. Which one of us is wrong?

[frikativ54]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

The answer is yes! You bought the jersey at a price you agreed upon. Now you would pay $1200. So yes, the value dropped. Btw, $1200 for a Bagwell is high.

What is a fair price for a Bagwell, just so I know?

[frikativ54]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Les,

I feel the need to pay you back for the fine advice you gave me when I was freaking out a couple week ago.

"Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's only clothing. I mean, there are plenty of other things to be depressed about than what you could have bought. I know what regret is like, but seriously, man, it's a jersey. It's not like you are dealing with the death of a friend, failure, or clinical depression. There will be a "next time" to make money. Just pass it off as a lesson learned, and you'll be fine next time."

-- Les, right after I was crying because I lost out on a Santonio Holmes jersey that I was hoping to flip for major coin, only to find out a week later it really wouldn't have made me major coin.

So, my advice? There are plenty of other things to be depressed about than what you bought. I know what regret is like, but seriously, girl, it's a jersey. It's not like you are dealing with finding out that Bagwell did roids back in the day, (even though he might have, which would then really kill the value of your items. Just kidding. Sort of), failure or clinical depression.

There will be a "next time" in this hobby for you. Just pass it off as a lesson learned, and you'll be cool next time.

Thank you.

[Dewey2007]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Although everyone has made good points I think this thread would go quietly into the night if everyone stopped adding their two cents. I think this thread is up a $1.38 and counting.

Let's get back to the lighter side of the hobby...

[Rob L]

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What I don't understand is why fair market value for my jersey last February was $2500-$3500. Then, in Chris Boyd's words, today "fair market value" is $1200. Does a Bagwell jersey lose 2/3 its value in one year? Or did Chris rip me off?

The answer is yes! You bought the jersey at a price you agreed upon. Now you would pay $1200. So yes, the value dropped. Btw, $1200 for a Bagwell is high.

[frikativ54]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

If I am coming off as too harsh, perhaps it's because of the ridiculousness of your demands and complaints.....in this thread and many others.

My only demand is that people act fairly and ethically. And that they be held accountable for their actions. If that is ridiculous, then I am saddened by your definition of what fairness is. I sometimes wonder why I waste time with people who don't share my sense of what moral is.

The problem is that people in our society can get away with whatever they want and not be held accountable. A-Rod can get away with cheating, because he's only human. We forgive rich athletes for anything. And Chris would be able to get away with anything, because he has more money than I do.

Lying, misrepresenting one's sources, etc. are all wrong actions! Thank goodness that not everyone in this world is like Chris Boyd. Perhaps I was naive to believe that Chris Boyd could become fair and ethical and not have business practices that are immoral.

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What I don't understand is why fair market value for my jersey last February was $2500-$3500. Then, in Chris Boyd's words, today "fair market value" is $1200. Does a Bagwell jersey lose 2/3 its value in one year? Or did Chris rip me off?

Neither Leslie.

You both agreed on a price and you paid it. Hind sight is 20/20. And for the umpteenth time..."fair market value" is extremely subjective. It's what a buyer is willing to pay. You agreed to pay a certain price, you set the value for that item. Just because an identical item sells for less does not make you entitled to a refund...partial or otherwise.

[gameused fan]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Les,

I feel the need to pay you back for the fine advice you gave me when I was freaking out a couple week ago.

"Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's only clothing. I mean, there are plenty of other things to be depressed about than what you could have bought. I know what regret is like, but seriously, man, it's a jersey. It's not like you are dealing with the death of a friend, failure, or clinical depression. There will be a "next time" to make money. Just pass it off as a lesson learned, and you'll be fine next time."

-- Les, right after I was crying because I lost out on a Santonio Holmes jersey that I was hoping to flip for major coin, only to find out a week later it really wouldn't have made me major coin.

So, my advice? There are plenty of other things to be depressed about than what you bought. I know what regret is like, but seriously, girl, it's a jersey. It's not like you are dealing with finding out that Bagwell did roids back in the day, (even though he might have, which would then really kill the value of your items. Just kidding. Sort of), failure or clinical depression.

There will be a "next time" in this hobby for you. Just pass it off as a lesson learned, and you'll be cool next time.

[buc]

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[GarkoCollector]

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I thought that maybe he had learned his lesson about how to treat people, and would do fair and honest business with me in the future. I thought that people could change, and I told him that I would give him that opportunity to change his business practices. And when he didn't, telling me he would get me pictures and then never doing as such, and when he starts attacking me over email, because I said that I am still unhappy over the way he treated me, then I obviously didn't want anything to do with him again. I have complained to the BBB and have the words of several other collectors to back up what I am saying. It's not like I am the only one who has had problems with the guy.

Sounds more like it was more important for you to get what you wanted than it was for him to "learn a lesson." Why did he need to change his business practices? Because you thought he should? They apparently werent so appalling that you couldnt continue to try to deal with him.

Might be best to cut your losses, move on and never deal with Chris again. He can sell for any price he chooses, even if way overpriced just like you can drastically overpay for something because you want to.

[Rboitano]

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I think you know when you are overpaying for an item. I have overpaid for items, not near as drastic as this case. It just depends on how bad you really want that item, and must know that if you plan to sell that item in the future you will not get that much back in return. Last year I purchased three Andruw Jones bats for $275 each, now they are worth $125, if that? We all make mistakes

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I thought that maybe he had learned his lesson about how to treat people, and would do fair and honest business with me in the future.

Mistake number 3....if my count is correct.

I thought that people could change

Mistake number 4.

I told him that I would give him that opportunity to change his business practices.

Sorry, but with those quotes...especially the last one....you are now sounding more like a crackpot. Who are you to give anyone a chance to change their business practices? What planet do you reside on? This not a Utopian society.


If you are unhappy, it's ABUNDANTLY clear that you are, with how Chris Boyd does business...guess what? STOP BUYING FROM HIM.

He's not going to give you a refund, as I am sure no one here would. Live and learn. Chalk it up to experience and move on. If you need to get out of the hobby then do so. Otherwise find another source for your Bagwell items. You claim that one of his sources were readily available to you....buy from them.

If I am coming off as too harsh, perhaps it's because of the ridiculousness of your demands and complaints.....in this thread and many others.

[markize]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

What I don't understand is why fair market value for my jersey last February was $2500-$3500. Then, in Chris Boyd's words, today "fair market value" is $1200. Does a Bagwell jersey lose 2/3 its value in one year? Or did Chris rip me off?

I'm way too lazy to go back and count, but I think it has been stated maybe a dozen times in this thread that "fair market value" is what a person is willing to pay for an item. Maybe Chris is only willing to pay $1200.

On another note, thank you Chris for "threatning, and intimidating" me into buying the Soriano Nationals wristband for $35 delivered.

Mark

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Does a Bagwell jersey lose 2/3 its value in one year? Or did Chris rip me off?

Neither! YOU OVERPAID! Chris put a price on something and you paid it. That's business!

I recently found out that a group of people were paying $180 for something that I can give them for $80. If they are dumb enough to pay that, so be it!