Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

[flaco1801]

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

you what some dont realize.. a mediocre player sometimes does better on a lesser team and heres why... look at a player like jeremy burnitz. he did so well because the brewers were out of so many games when he came the the plate down by 4 runs his home run didnt matter. Jeter is a money player, a clutch player they dont come by often, always in the right place at the right time... remember that play he was at homeplate to make that play thats why hes different.. and i hate the yankees but jeter is something special, he would have fit in with my generation of stars, simply the best... no question about his credentials..

[Nathan]

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.

The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.

Looking at Jeter as an individual player.....

Had he been on another team his entire career.....perhaps a team without the media attention that NY gets....

He would....in my opinion...be a Craig Biggio type player. Biggio will make the HOF purely on his 3000+ hits. other than that he wasn't a huge superstar. He was a good, quiet, consistant player who played the game the right way and played hard.

I see Jeter and Biggio as pretty similar TYPE of players.....albeit, Jeter is without a doubt the better hitter of the two.

My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.

Being a Yankee has it's advantages. Everyone knows this.

Psstt.....nobody should read the above incorrectly...I am a Jeter fan. Thought that should be mentioned before someone misconstrues what I am saying. As much as I am a fan, I am fair with my opinions of players. I don't idolize any of them.

Biggio is also among the top five or (at worst) top ten at his position in baseball history.

Jeter has to contend with (and fall short of) Wagner, Vaughan, Ripken, Ozzie, Larkin, Rodriguez, Banks....

[Yankwood]

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Given the massive financial advantage the Yankee$ have had over the rest of MLB since the 1920s, the wonder is that they didn't win all the WS championships...and drive the league out of business!
Despite the desires of Yankee$ fans everywhere, this isn't supposed to be the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals year in and year out...yet somehow, it' too often turned out that way.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: unless the Yankee$ are run by idiots or incompetents, THEY SHOULD NEVER LOSE. The gap between them and the next richest team is that great. Fortunately for the rest of us, other than the brief period of $teinbrenner's second "lifetime ban" from baseball when Gene Michael and Bob Watson built the foundation of the 1996-2000 team, they've bounced between incompetence and idiocy for most of the last 40 years.
As it stands, they're still the #1 argument for NFL-style revenue sharing for MLB.

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

I'm sorry that you missed the point and that your obvious hatred for the franchise clouded your comprehension, but the post was in regards to Derek Jeter's accomplishments. Not the Yankees success. However, when you throw in what you poined out, his Yankee standing is even more impressive since he is being measured against all those other players the Yankees were able to buy. Thanks for pointing that out though. Most people aren't aware of the fact that the Yankees have had high payrolls...

[bigtime59]

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And he is going to retire with more hits than any player in the HISTORY of the New York Yankees. Think about that. Not the Gates-Chili Spartans. Not the East High Orientals. THE NEW YORK YANKEES. The most successful and storied team in the history of professional sports. The MOST. I'm not even talking about the rings. Although he did play a huge and I might add CLUTCH part in helping to garner those rings. If that doesn't mean anything then you just don't like the guy. And that's okay. We all have players we like and don't like. But there's no denying it. The guy's a great player. Remember, Hal Newhouser quit his job because the Asdtros didn't draft him with their first pick. He certainly hasn't disappointed Yankee fans. Another guy has though.

Given the massive financial advantage the Yankee$ have had over the rest of MLB since the 1920s, the wonder is that they didn't win all the WS championships...and drive the league out of business!
Despite the desires of Yankee$ fans everywhere, this isn't supposed to be the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals year in and year out...yet somehow, it' too often turned out that way.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: unless the Yankee$ are run by idiots or incompetents, THEY SHOULD NEVER LOSE. The gap between them and the next richest team is that great. Fortunately for the rest of us, other than the brief period of $teinbrenner's second "lifetime ban" from baseball when Gene Michael and Bob Watson built the foundation of the 1996-2000 team, they've bounced between incompetence and idiocy for most of the last 40 years.
As it stands, they're still the #1 argument for NFL-style revenue sharing for MLB.

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

Many love to throw the 4 WS rings up in everyones face.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Good players don't go to the Hall, all major US sports are team sports, and comparing Jeter to a player in another sport is _________. 4 the clean way vs. none the dirty way no matter how you flip it.... Who knows, if A-Rod could make any type of post season clutch play in pintsripes maybe DJ would have more than 4 rings?

[nyjetsfan14]

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My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.

If Michael Jordan were a, let's say, Los Angeles Clipper his entire career...and had not won any rings...than he would not make the HOF. See how ________ that arguement actually is?

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

Wow. tell that to Dan Marino. With them he is the greatest quaterback ever to play, wthout them there is a debate....Bradshaws' numbers without rings look average....To say 4 rings don't factor is silly...

Dave

Let's read exactly what I said and comprehend it properly. I said rings don't make the player. Individual ability makes the player. Chad Curtis has rings, Jim Leyritz has rings, Mike Figga has rings..all with the Yankees. None of them are "great because they have WS rings". Even Posado (4 rings) won't be remembered as a "great" player. He's an ok catcher who happened to play on a dominant team.

Sad that I even had to elaborate on what I said and apparently explain it again.

[CollectGU]

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.


The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.

Wow. tell that to Dan Marino. With them he is the greatest quaterback ever to play, wthout them there is a debate....Bradshaws' numbers without rings look average....To say 4 rings don't factor is silly...

Dave

[Yankwood]

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

And he is going to retire with more hits than any player in the HISTORY of the New York Yankees. Think about that. Not the Gates-Chili Spartans. Not the East High Orientals. THE NEW YORK YANKEES. The most successful and storied team in the history of professional sports. The MOST. I'm not even talking about the rings. Although he did play a huge and I might add CLUTCH part in helping to garner those rings. If that doesn't mean anything then you just don't like the guy. And that's okay. We all have players we like and don't like. But there's no denying it. The guy's a great player. Remember, Hal Newhouser quit his job because the Asdtros didn't draft him with their first pick. He certainly hasn't disappointed Yankee fans. Another guy has though.

[mr.miracle]

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I'm not saying Jeter isn't a good player. I'm not saying Jeter isn't worthy of the HOF.

I'm just saying if he didn't start out with and play for the New York Yankees, he would be looking at different as a player, and probably wouldn't have 4 WS rings.

Many love to throw the 4 WS rings up in everyones face. Robert Horry of the NBA has 7 NBA championship rings, and he won't end up in the HOF. He is just a player who played on many great teams, and that's how he
7 rings.

Remember, Jeter didn't win those 4 rings by himself. Baseball is a team sport. Jeter is a good player, and his individual play is worthy of the HOF. But he didn't win 4 WS rings by himself. He was a good player on great teams.

Regards, Tony

Regarding Horry, not saying he should, in fact based on overall statistics he should not, but there is a contingent that has argued that he should be in the HOF. Arguably the greatest clutch shooter in the history of the NBA. He is the one guy that when the game was on the line, you never, ever wanted to let open yet teams did it time and time again. He really did come up big when it counted.

[3arod13]

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I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.


The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.

Looking at Jeter as an individual player.....

Had he been on another team his entire career.....perhaps a team without the media attention that NY gets....

He would....in my opinion...be a Craig Biggio type player. Biggio will make the HOF purely on his 3000+ hits. other than that he wasn't a huge superstar. He was a good, quiet, consistant player who played the game the right way and played hard.

I see Jeter and Biggio as pretty similar TYPE of players.....albeit, Jeter is without a doubt the better hitter of the two.

My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.

Being a Yankee has it's advantages. Everyone knows this.

Psstt.....nobody should read the above incorrectly...I am a Jeter fan. Thought that should be mentioned before someone misconstrues what I am saying. As much as I am a fan, I am fair with my opinions of players. I don't idolize any of them.

That is my point exactly. I'm also a Yankee fan and I like Jeter. Playing for the New York Yankees does make a difference. Well said!

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.


The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.



Looking at Jeter as an individual player.....

Had he been on another team his entire career.....perhaps a team without the media attention that NY gets....


He would....in my opinion...be a Craig Biggio type player. Biggio will make the HOF purely on his 3000+ hits. other than that he wasn't a huge superstar. He was a good, quiet, consistant player who played the game the right way and played hard.

I see Jeter and Biggio as pretty similar TYPE of players.....albeit, Jeter is without a doubt the better hitter of the two.


My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.


Being a Yankee has it's advantages. Everyone knows this.





















Psstt.....nobody should read the above incorrectly...I am a Jeter fan. Thought that should be mentioned before someone misconstrues what I am saying. As much as I am a fan, I am fair with my opinions of players. I don't idolize any of them.

[3arod13]

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How many "good" players collect 3000 hits? Jeter's great...

I'm not saying Jeter isn't a good player. I'm not saying Jeter isn't worthy of the HOF.

I'm just saying if he didn't start out with and play for the New York Yankees, he would be looking at different as a player, and probably wouldn't have 4 WS rings.

Many love to throw the 4 WS rings up in everyones face. Robert Horry of the NBA has 7 NBA championship rings, and he won't end up in the HOF. He is just a player who played on many great teams, and that's how he
7 rings.

Remember, Jeter didn't win those 4 rings by himself. Baseball is a team sport. Jeter is a good player, and his individual play is worthy of the HOF. But he didn't win 4 WS rings by himself. He was a good player on great teams.

Regards, Tony

[Yankwood]

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I'll say it again and again. Yes, he will get in the hall of fame.

But if he played for another team, and never played for the Yankees, he'd be just another good player.

How many "good" players collect 3000 hits? Jeter's great...

[mr.miracle]

Re: Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

Yeah, the "out of baseball" thing was a bit of an exaggeration. "Playing second base for somebody" would probably have been more appropriate...
Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

Mark, you crack me up. It will be interesting to see if Jeter holds to his stance that he wants to continue to play short. A tall shortstop playing SS as he ages through his mid to late 30's with deteriorating range is a touchy subject especially for the Yankee captain. Jeter will be what 35 this summer. A couple of more years and this might begin to become a sore subject.