Credibility check on a fellow member....

[helmets]

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All this over a baseball?

[chakes89]

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This thead has been a giant waste of space

[suicide_squeeze]

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suicide i would reply to your thread but i am about to go on a date with my cousin

Sorry members.......one last one, I just can't let this one go....

Fnazxc0114.......Let me guess.......'coon hunting?


And Tom, please see your email. This is over. Be happy for that.

[Fnazxc0114]

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suicide i would reply to your thread but i am about to go on a date with my cousin

[GarkoCollector]

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Steve,
I would go as far as sending you the ball and the information...the correct information, BEFORE you pay for the ball. You can look at it, review everything and IF you want it, you can pay, and if not, all I ask is that you return the ball and information quickly.

I cant do any more than that.

[suicide_squeeze]

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No need, I'm done.

No more comments from me after this on this thread.

My apologies to anyone I have offended. Including you, Tom.

Let's all be honest, good people, and live our lives right. Let's help eachother, not "F" eachother. The damn World is falling apart, people. Someone, some day, needs to step up and do the right thing. If we all do that, maybe we'll get a hold of the dishonest and corrupt bulls#!t we all deal with everyday.

Regards from someone who really does care,

Steve

[mdube16]

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Here's one vote for locking this thread before 2 regular and good posters continue down this path

[suicide_squeeze]

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Really sorry you feel this way Steven. I really do. I am content to keep the ball. I was looking only to help you out. If you dont want the help, theres 500+ more of them out there.

The info given was not remembered, it was added. The information that surrounded the ball was not remembered. Circumstances around getting the ball were and once the date was pinpointed, additional information was added to that letter because YOU wanted to know...the HR# of that season, the Career HR #. those things were added to the letter because you wanted them. Had nothing to do with remembering these things. it was done because you wanted to know.

He got his start as an intern, not an apprentice. He was looking at the inner workings of the team as a whole, not of a specific trade. He was asked to do many things for the team, which included but wasnt limited to sweeping the bulpen. He was not in this capacity when he got the ball, which was documented to ensure accuracy.

I plan on taking the ball to get an attempt at authentication, just for my own benefit. The information that was originally reviewed was incorrect as I reviewed it myself for accuracy and know that Murray only hit 1 HR in the game wheras it was noted that he hit 3, so I am sure thats the huge error.

as it has been said, if you dont feel comfortable with this, dont buy it. I'd want the information to be secured prior. The wrong box score was looked at. that is the source of the inaccurate information about his stats that day. plain and simple. I've already looked into it.

I'm willing to take any other questions about this as it seems to be more than anything, a problem with research and documentation. the day is correct, the game stats were not.

Tom

Tom,

Honestly, from your very first email when you bit my head off telling me "Hey, I'm busy. This isn't going to happen overnight".........I knew this was a bogus transaction in the making. I NEVER ONCE had the opportunity to talk to your so-called "friend" who had this great ball. You say he interned for the Orioles, yet you can't produce ONE BIT of evidence, proof..... provenance. Not a picture, not a letterhead with your friends name on it....nothing.

It was only after I pressed you on getting pictures of it, that you THEN miraculously come up with (OUT OF THE BLUE) the info "By the way, the ball is clean.....something about the prior pitch being fouled off backwards, almost braking the announcers glass"......I mean......WHAT?

I hadn't even asked about ANYTHING except pictures.......and you come up with THAT? You had your bases covered.......continuously. Miraculously. Not answers I was asking.......Answers that fit what you were going to produce to me.

I mean, after all, if you could convince me, and the proof was good, $2,000.00 was a great starting point, right?

The final obvious nail-in-the-coffin bit of insight into your "efforts" here was you biting on my bait question. I told you my wife thought it would be a nice gesture to send flowers to your friend who was suffering this terrible illness in the hospital, so I asked if you could forward me the hospital name so we could do just that.

Your "friend", God bless his soul, would rather I "send a donation to the Multiple Sclerosis Society Research Foundation."

That is about as good of a "Cherry on Top" as I could have ever come up with. Nice touch.

By the way, you might want to tell your "friend" or his Doctors they have some very effective medications that tremendously limit the effects of the disease.

[GarkoCollector]

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Hey Nate, you and everyone else WITH HONEST INTENTIONS would rightfully be pissed.

Look, I did my homework here. I came out because this was wrong. Enough said, it's a matter of record.

And if this serves as a warning to anyone thinking about trying to do something less than honest when answering a legitimate collectors "Items Wanted" thread......then it has done some good.

All this shows is that I looked up the wrong box score and added the wrong day's information to please your request to know the career HR.

Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Man, if I responded to somebodies want list and they are questioning my item, I would be really pissed if someone called me out like this.

If you dont want the ball, dont buy it. If you are questioning it, is it really worth buying it, let alone ruining someones reputation as a buyer?

I dont know him or delt with him, but how do you think this makes him look or feel?

The proper thing probably wouldve been to do is paste the picture of the ball so all of us can see, without mentioning who the ball even belonged to. You'd still get your opinions without hurting someones name. If you think its fake, why bother. Look for something you think is real.

Hey Nate, you and everyone else WITH HONEST INTENTIONS would rightfully be pissed.

Look, I did my homework here. I came out because this was wrong. Enough said, it's a matter of record.

And if this serves as a warning to anyone thinking about trying to do something less than honest when answering a legitimate collectors "Items Wanted" thread......then it has done some good.

[GarkoCollector]

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Really sorry you feel this way Steven. I really do. I am content to keep the ball. I was looking only to help you out. If you dont want the help, theres 500+ more of them out there.

The info given was not remembered, it was added. The information that surrounded the ball was not remembered. Circumstances around getting the ball were and once the date was pinpointed, additional information was added to that letter because YOU wanted to know...the HR# of that season, the Career HR #. those things were added to the letter because you wanted them. Had nothing to do with remembering these things. it was done because you wanted to know.

He got his start as an intern, not an apprentice. He was looking at the inner workings of the team as a whole, not of a specific trade. He was asked to do many things for the team, which included but wasnt limited to sweeping the bulpen. He was not in this capacity when he got the ball, which was documented to ensure accuracy.

I plan on taking the ball to get an attempt at authentication, just for my own benefit. The information that was originally reviewed was incorrect as I reviewed it myself for accuracy and know that Murray only hit 1 HR in the game wheras it was noted that he hit 3, so I am sure thats the huge error.

as it has been said, if you dont feel comfortable with this, dont buy it. I'd want the information to be secured prior. The wrong box score was looked at. that is the source of the inaccurate information about his stats that day. plain and simple. I've already looked into it.

I'm willing to take any other questions about this as it seems to be more than anything, a problem with research and documentation. the day is correct, the game stats were not.

Tom

[suicide_squeeze]

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The first paragraph of the prior post is a quote from GarkoCollector.....

My response followed.......sorry it didn't show up that way.

[suicide_squeeze]

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This was my issue. Why fake an Eddie Murray ball? Why not a Bonds, Pujols, McGwire or something high end? I agree that holograms help a lot, but for a ball from 85, I dont think theres much I can do with that. I take no offense at all to your questions/concerns.[/quote]


Isn't THAT the one and only fact why you CONTACTED me in the first place???

I mean, WHY would you contact me if you had a Bonds, Pujols, McGwire, or something that you refer to as high end when answering a "Does ANYONE have an EDDIE MURRAY actual HOME RUN baseball, one of his career 504 HOME RUN BASEBALLS?"???

Isn't the whole REASON you contacted me to find out what I would be willing to PAY for one?.....and when you found out, you then figured it was worth the effort? (What "effort" we are talking about here is the rub.....)

[suicide_squeeze]

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So anyway, after my wife and I got a real good laugh at the unfolding emails I was receiving, I just thought it might be a good idea to alert the GOOD folks here that.......Well, something just wasn't RIGHT.

But it appears there are a few here who take exception to truth and honesty......there think their opinion of how some things here are handled is being done by someone less than an EXPERT on the situation......a non-LAWYER using bad judgement (lol)......so I'll just take my 22 years of collecting experience and zip it.

I can only hope that there are a few members, maybe that are just starting out, maybe that haven't been collecting game used home run balls for 15+ years that need a few honest worthwhile tips, can appreciate the EFFORT on someone here to keep it on the up and up.

I'll leave you, Tom, with your "integrity" and "reputation" intact, as it was never my intent to attack them in the first place. But a funny thing happened on the way to the thread.......in questioning others about any prior experience with you.....I WAS attacked.........after the unimaginable set of emails you threw at me in regards to YOUR contacting me to sell me a ball.....

Whatever.......

How typical.........HYSTERICAL.....funny as hell.........but typical.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Tom,

Yes, you can keep the ball.

You can keep it, because it isn't what your friend is telling you it is.

You know, the friend who magically kept coming up with the info that I was asking about?

The friend who didn't want to part with it?

The friend who then, was considering it after I threw a figure out there?

The same friend that then, went from not wanting to part with it, to then just "giving it to you to deal with it as you wished"? Hmmm....

The VERY same friend who wasn't sure what YEAR it was hit, then miraculously came up with remembering the day, the game, everything, because he seemed to remember about a "fender-bender" the same day, so he WOULD in fact be able to pinpoint the home run......keeping our negotiations intact.......? Nice touch......

But the best kept rolling in. Hell, once we had the "letter of authenticity" agreed on that he would "eventually" put together with all the facts, and how he was a vendor working at the games (but earlier he was an "Orioles apprentice who was at the game sweeping the stairs of the bullpen, not a payrolled employee".....wow, quite a jump!), then I asked that all he needed to do what have it "notarized".

You asked how that worked, and I explained it to you. Suddenly, your friend is (just after recently moving, and unboxing everything which is why it took so long to get the pictures......) entering the hospital. Seems he miraculously has been stricken with a serious flare-up of MS. So I explain to you that, of all places, hospitals have notary publics on site every day, so it wouldn't be a problem to print the letter that, somehow, between coming up with ALL of the answers I needed, then compiled a letter with all the facts (with one MAJOR mistake on it, I might add), then ends up in the hospital with MS, and when I require a notarized signature, he suddenly deteriorates to a point "He can't even sign his name now".


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