Yankees 2009

[mr.miracle]

Re: Yankees 2009

Sure, I'll take a look at the pitching pipelines. The Yankees have Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Andrew Brackman, Mark Melancon and Dellin Betances. I would compare Hughes favorably with Matusz/Arrieta in the Orioles system and say that there is more pitching depth in the Yankees' farm system than in the Orioles'.

Comparing the outfields? Sure, the Orioles have a very talented and young outfield but that really doesn't mean all that much - you would do a lot better to compare the offensive lineup as a whole. Once A-Rod is back, there's no contest as to which team will have the better offense.

I can tell you with a straight face that I would rather be the Yankees than the Orioles. At least George Steinbrenner is willing to put up the money to create a successful team. There's plenty of baseball left to be played. We'll see who's there in the end.

Tim

But Tim, that is the point and the whole problem. With the money you guys are able to spend you should be there in the end every single year. It is ridiculous that anybody should be able to compete with the Yankees given the structure that they have to work with. Again, I don't blame the Yankees, if you can get away with it then who wouldn't. If the Yankees did not throw all that money they are making back into the team, wouldn't all the Yankee fans come unglued if it was simply lining Stinebrenners pockets every year. The point is, the system is broken and until it gets fixed this arguement will go on and on.

The Yankees are really in a no win situation. Spend all the money you can as they do and the expectation is that that should and will win every year. Anything less than a World Series title is a failure. Yet people who are reasonable and see this stupidity for what it is will continue to lambast MLB for a flawed and failed system as should anyone even Yankee fans. I have said this before, If my favorite team the Lakers could outspend the entire league and balloon their payroll to $200 million when everyone else is spending 65 million, boy wouldn't I be real proud if they could field the NBA all-star team at every position and beat the holy crap out of teams night in and night out. Yipee, what an accomplishment. Kind of like the Dream Team became, the expectation is that you demolish everyone and anything less is complete failure. The opposite end of the spectrum is that they line their pockets with all that cash and piss off the fan base instead of dumping the money back into the team. Given Cashman and the Yankee braintrusts inability to win with a $200 million payroll god forbid they would have to compete with $75 million. Would this team even win 65 games consistently?

I am not a fan of some of these teams so I don't have a dog in the fight, but given the current payroll situation in MLB, will we ever see the Royals, Brewers, Orioles, Blue Jays, Mariners, Pirates, Reds, and I am sure I am missing a few teams in the mix consistenly or even making the playoffs again ever??? Yeah, the Rays did it last year but I am interested in seeing a five year window. My guess is this team is either one and done or maybe two years and that is about it. Long term, they don't stand a chance against the Yankees and Red Sox who just keep reloading year after year after year. That is why this system is flawed garbage.

[stkmtimo]

Re: Yankees 2009

Then take a look at what's in the pitching pipeline for the Orioles vs the Yankee$. Then compare the two teams outfields. Then see if you can tell me with a straight face that you'd rather be the Yankee$ than the Orioles...in any respect other than revenues.

Sure, I'll take a look at the pitching pipelines. The Yankees have Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Andrew Brackman, Mark Melancon and Dellin Betances. I would compare Hughes favorably with Matusz/Arrieta in the Orioles system and say that there is more pitching depth in the Yankees' farm system than in the Orioles'.

Comparing the outfields? Sure, the Orioles have a very talented and young outfield but that really doesn't mean all that much - you would do a lot better to compare the offensive lineup as a whole. Once A-Rod is back, there's no contest as to which team will have the better offense.

I can tell you with a straight face that I would rather be the Yankees than the Orioles. At least George Steinbrenner is willing to put up the money to create a successful team. There's plenty of baseball left to be played. We'll see who's there in the end.

Tim

[yanks12025]

Re: Yankees 2009

To you guys what is the definition of buying players. Becuase if you look at the Yankees roster to the Rays roster, the yankees have MORE home-grown players then them.

[yanks12025]

Re: Yankees 2009

How are they choking. Tex will be alot better when he has a-rod batting behind him, so he gets better pitches.

[skyking26]

Re: Yankees 2009

I know it's early yet, small sample size, blah blah blah...but the Yankee$ losing is always something that's going to make my day.
Brian Ca$hman might be the worst GM in baseball. He has more money to play with than any other GM, and this is the best he can do? Nearly half a billion dollars committed to free agents last off season, and this is the best he can do?
And before the usual suspects can start their "oooh, but the Orioles suck worse than we do" chorus...take a look at the Orioles payroll vs the Yankee$. Then take a look at what's in the pitching pipeline for the Orioles vs the Yankee$. Then compare the two teams outfields. Then see if you can tell me with a straight face that you'd rather be the Yankee$ than the Orioles...in any respect other than revenues.
Yeah, our starters mostly suck, just like yours do. But we have about $75 invested in each of 'em, so that when the time comes to kick 'em to the curb, it's not going to hurt much.
Tha Yankee$ lose...tha Yankee$ lose...tha Yankee$ lose...and the giant freakin' lounge chairs in the uber-expensive seats are already empty.
Sweet. Glorious, beautiful and sweet.

Man, you're singing is music to my ears. I agree 100%. They go out and blow tons of $$ on Sabathia and Tex, who are choking some now. Early or not, when you get paid what these guys do...you are expected to produce. The Yankees are shoved down everyone's throat as the be all in professional sports. It's a quick lesson to my little leaguer's...$$ doesn't buy everything.

I'm painfully reminded of that when I watched my mother die for 2 years. That was a lesson for my dad unfortunately...

[bigtime59]

Re: Yankees 2009

I know it's early yet, small sample size, blah blah blah...but the Yankee$ losing is always something that's going to make my day.
Brian Ca$hman might be the worst GM in baseball. He has more money to play with than any other GM, and this is the best he can do? Nearly half a billion dollars committed to free agents last off season, and this is the best he can do?
And before the usual suspects can start their "oooh, but the Orioles suck worse than we do" chorus...take a look at the Orioles payroll vs the Yankee$. Then take a look at what's in the pitching pipeline for the Orioles vs the Yankee$. Then compare the two teams outfields. Then see if you can tell me with a straight face that you'd rather be the Yankee$ than the Orioles...in any respect other than revenues.
Yeah, our starters mostly suck, just like yours do. But we have about $75 invested in each of 'em, so that when the time comes to kick 'em to the curb, it's not going to hurt much.
Tha Yankee$ lose...tha Yankee$ lose...tha Yankee$ lose...and the giant freakin' lounge chairs in the uber-expensive seats are already empty.
Sweet. Glorious, beautiful and sweet.

[stkmtimo]

Re: Yankees 2009

We need Phil Hughes as 5th starter. Put Joba back into the bullpen. They'll be fine...there's plenty of baseball left to be played.

Tim

[mr.miracle]

Re: Yankees 2009

Wang was fine until the HR to Choo. He just got shook up. No worries. 10 games in does not a panic attack make.

Uhhh Vintage, don't take this the wrong way, but the guy has pitched six innings in three starts this year, has given up 23 runs on 23 hits and currently has a 34.50 era. I don't know about anyone else, but I would be sounding the alarm for any pitcher at this point. This is bording on disaster for a pitcher that was the ace of the staff as recently as two years ago and starting last season.

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: Yankees 2009

Wang was fine until the HR to Choo. He just got shook up. No worries. 10 games in does not a panic attack make.

[mr.miracle]

Re: Yankees 2009

I think Wang will get it together, but I think Joba is a bigger concern. I'm still not convinced he is a starter. His fastball has no movement, and his speed is not what it used to be. He's probably better off as a setup guy who will move into the closer roll. This way he an come in fresh, and try to overpower batters. You are right, though, the rotation is struggling.

I still love 'em though- GO YANKEES!!

Mark

Mark, great points, I am not a Yankees fan but I will say that I would give up on Chamberlain as a starter and do exactly what you are saying. Kind of like Rivera for Wetteland years ago. Since Mariano probably only has two or so good years left, this would be a perfect opportunity to get Joba the time he needs in a role that he was lights out in and then move him over as the closer once Rivera is done. Sure you lose him as a starter but they need to take advantage of the strength that they have there. In a one or so inning situation, that guy is lights out.

The other question is, do either Hughes or Kennedy ever pan out to anything and if not, are the Yankees kicking themselves for not pulling the trigger on that Santana trade with the Twins several years back.

[markize]

Re: Yankees 2009

This is true however the Yankees might be in some measure of trouble given the fact that Wang is getting absolutely rocked during every outing. I am guessing that the Yankees were counting on a very strong rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Chamberlain and Pettite. Obviously, Wang is not fully recovered as he cannot spot his pitches and looks like he is pitching batting practice. If he cannot get it together, everyone has to step up. The Yankees greatest weakness has been their pitching or lack thereof over the past five to seven years. You remove a healthy solid Wang from that rotation and they have to find a way to replace 18 - 20 wins or at least that would have been the expectation from him based on historical performances.

I think Wang will get it together, but I think Joba is a bigger concern. I'm still not convinced he is a starter. His fastball has no movement, and his speed is not what it used to be. He's probably better off as a setup guy who will move into the closer roll. This way he an come in fresh, and try to overpower batters. You are right, though, the rotation is struggling.

I still love 'em though- GO YANKEES!!

Mark

[encinorick]

Re: Yankees 2009

And what is the common denominator in all this?

Scott Boras.

He's death to any team. And if they are stupid enough to give into him, then they deserve what they get.

The Yankees will be fighting for last place with Boston in the East and the "new curse of the Babe" will become known, that the Yankees will never win another World Series in their new billion dollar stadium, "the House that Ruth didn't build!"

Dodger vs. Jays in World Series, Dodgers win in six.

[mr.miracle]

Re: Yankees 2009

Nah.... Boring is how bad you guys have been for what... 10 years now and you still think you can win. Anything less than a world series win every single year for that amount a payroll is a disgrace.

I was attempting to be a bit more kind but actually that is true. In any other sport, if for instance my favorite team the Lakers could go out and double, triple, quadruple the payroll of virtually every team who thinks that they would not lock up the NBA title every year. You could put an all-star team on the floor at every position. Same thing in the NFL granted injuries could play a huge part there as well, but the Yankees have not done a good job managing that payroll. My five year old nephew could do a better job managing that payroll. Great signings/trades like Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, Jason Giambi, even Damon have not exactly worked in their favor.

[Ozric]

Re: Yankees 2009

Relax, of course he's serious. Yankee haters have been taking premature potshots for over 30 years now. I'm used to it. In fact, it's become boring.

Nah.... Boring is how bad you guys have been for what... 10 years now and you still think you can win. Anything less than a world series win every single year for that amount a payroll is a disgrace.

[mr.miracle]

Re: Yankees 2009

Dude, we are 10 games into a 162 game season. Is this a serious post?

This is true however the Yankees might be in some measure of trouble given the fact that Wang is getting absolutely rocked during every outing. I am guessing that the Yankees were counting on a very strong rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Chamberlain and Pettite. Obviously, Wang is not fully recovered as he cannot spot his pitches and looks like he is pitching batting practice. If he cannot get it together, everyone has to step up. The Yankees greatest weakness has been their pitching or lack thereof over the past five to seven years. You remove a healthy solid Wang from that rotation and they have to find a way to replace 18 - 20 wins or at least that would have been the expectation from him based on historical performances.