Yankees 2009

[markize]

Re: Yankees 2009

I know it's early yet, small sample size, blah blah blah...but the Yankee$ losing is always something that's going to make my day.
Brian Ca$hman might be the worst GM in baseball. He has more money to play with than any other GM, and this is the best he can do? Nearly half a billion dollars committed to free agents last off season, and this is the best he can do?
And before the usual suspects can start their "oooh, but the Orioles suck worse than we do" chorus...take a look at the Orioles payroll vs the Yankee$. Then take a look at what's in the pitching pipeline for the Orioles vs the Yankee$. Then compare the two teams outfields. Then see if you can tell me with a straight face that you'd rather be the Yankee$ than the Orioles...in any respect other than revenues.
Yeah, our starters mostly suck, just like yours do. But we have about $75 invested in each of 'em, so that when the time comes to kick 'em to the curb, it's not going to hurt much.
Tha Yankee$ lose...tha Yankee$ lose...tha Yankee$ lose...and the giant freakin' lounge chairs in the uber-expensive seats are already empty.
Sweet. Glorious, beautiful and sweet.

mark,

yes, with a straight face, i would take the Yankees over the Borioles any day. here is a breakdown of the last 10 years that may help you out:

year team record games back
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1999 NYY 98-64 .605 0
1999 BAL 78-84 .481 20
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2000 NYY 87-74 .540 0
2000 BAL 74-88 .457 13.5
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2001 NYY 95-65 .594 0
2001 BAL 63-98 .391 32.5
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2002 NYY 103-58 .640 0
2002 BAL 67-95 .414 36.5
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2003 NYY 101-61 .623 0
2003 BAL 71-91 .438 30
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2004 NYY 101-61 .623 0
2004 BAL 70-84 .481 23
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2005 NYY 95-67 .586 0
2005 BAL 74-88 .457 21
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2006 NYY 97-65 .599 0
2006 BAL 70-92 .432 27
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2007 NYY 94-68 .580 2
2007 BAL 69-93 .426 27
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2008 NYY 89-73 .549 8
2008 BAL 68-93 .422 28.5

ok, its a bit sloppy, but i think you get the point. the orioles have NOT played over .500 ball in the last 10 seasons. in that time, the yankees have won 8 division championships, and have won 2 of 4 WS titles. the highest win total by the orioles was 78, and they were still 20 games out of first. cry all you want about what the Yankees pay in salaries, but the comparison between the orioles and Yankees isnt even close.

let me ask one final question....mark, if you make $100,000 a year now, and had the chance to make $200,000 would you take it? i'm sure the answer is YES. so you fit right in with the Yankees! welcome home!!

mark

[mr.miracle]

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brett,

i was with you the whole way till you got to the final sentence hi-lighted in bold and then you crapped all over your own points. why bother talking about prospects, and farm systems, and ragging on what the Yankees pay their players? the point of a farm system is to develop players for TOMORROW, right? the Yankees are trying to win TODAY, by paying for players they feel can help them NOW. I agree Wieters looks to be a great player of the FUTURE, but he hasnt played a single game yet, so how is he helping NOW?

mark

Mark:

I don't rag on what the Yankees pay their players. In fact, if the Orioles were in a position to do what the Yankees do and did not do it I would be furious. That being said, I think the rules stink and MLB needs to do something about it. It is just like in any other sport. Jerry Jones makes infinitely more money as the Cowboys owner than the owners of the Seahawks but he cannot just go out and outspend the whole league in an effort to win the Super Bowl. That is how it should be and it should not be in the owners hands to police this it should be mandated by MLB.

My point is, if you are in a position to win now, you should go for it. The window normally quickly closes for every team. If I have prospects in the minors that I can trade today to bring in a player or two that might put me over the top to win today, I make that move in a second. I am not saying dump the whole farm to do this but one example is a difference maker like Santana that might have put the Yanks over the top.

You and I would probably disagree on How they are spending that money today but I don't fault them for taking advantage of a flawed system but the system needs changed.

[markize]

Re: Yankees 2009

Mark:

I don't rag on what the Yankees pay their players. In fact, if the Orioles were in a position to do what the Yankees do and did not do it I would be furious. That being said, I think the rules stink and MLB needs to do something about it. It is just like in any other sport. Jerry Jones makes infinitely more money as the Cowboys owner than the owners of the Seahawks but he cannot just go out and outspend the whole league in an effort to win the Super Bowl. That is how it should be and it should not be in the owners hands to police this it should be mandated by MLB.

My point is, if you are in a position to win now, you should go for it. The window normally quickly closes for every team. If I have prospects in the minors that I can trade today to bring in a player or two that might put me over the top to win today, I make that move in a second. I am not saying dump the whole farm to do this but one example is a difference maker like Santana that might have put the Yanks over the top.

You and I would probably disagree on How they are spending that money today but I don't fault them for taking advantage of a flawed system but the system needs changed.

Brett,

Actually, I would prefer they get more value from farm guys other than trade bait. I gave the example in another post about Shelley Duncan at first base instead of dropping buckets of $$ on Teixeira. To me, he has a big upside, and is a small hit on the payroll. I guess I just think the Yankees make the $$ and are spending the best way see it. Is the system flawed, maybe, but look at it from a game used perspective: should the amount of money you make exclude you from buying more (or higher priced gamers), or spending it on what you feel is best to your collection? It's the same with the Yankees, they take in more than other teams, and spend it on the best possible "gamers" they can. The irony is that, unlike many peoples ideas, money obviously doesn't buy championships. If it did, the Yankees would have a lot more than 26 WS rings. In the end, the game gets played on the field.

Mark

[markize]

Re: Yankees 2009

Mark:

I don't rag on what the Yankees pay their players. In fact, if the Orioles were in a position to do what the Yankees do and did not do it I would be furious. That being said, I think the rules stink and MLB needs to do something about it. It is just like in any other sport. Jerry Jones makes infinitely more money as the Cowboys owner than the owners of the Seahawks but he cannot just go out and outspend the whole league in an effort to win the Super Bowl. That is how it should be and it should not be in the owners hands to police this it should be mandated by MLB.

My point is, if you are in a position to win now, you should go for it. The window normally quickly closes for every team. If I have prospects in the minors that I can trade today to bring in a player or two that might put me over the top to win today, I make that move in a second. I am not saying dump the whole farm to do this but one example is a difference maker like Santana that might have put the Yanks over the top.

You and I would probably disagree on How they are spending that money today but I don't fault them for taking advantage of a flawed system but the system needs changed.

Brett,

By the way, I agree Santana could have been a great addition considering his success. Look at it from the flip side though, with the pressure the Yankees players are under, he could have folded like a deck of cards and been another high dollar bust.

Mark

[bigtime59]

Re: Yankees 2009

Nobody in their right mind would start a sports league today with MLB's 19th-century, Rube Goldberg revenue distribution system. Bud Selig has done quite a bit with making sure new sources of revenue (mlb.com, &c) are distributed equally between all the teams, but still hasn't tackled the immense revenue discrepancies between the Yankee$ and everybody else.
Things are better than they were, and some teams have begun to figure out how to work the system as it stands (especially the Red $ox, who aren't exactly cash-strapped, themselves), but one thing remains unchanged: MLB is a home to home race, and the Yankee$ get to start at third base every year.
I've often said that the only way they can lose is if their management is inept (CBS period) or borderline insane (most of $teinbrenner's reign).
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I for one am heartily sick of the New York Yankee$. Until the field is levelled, and they can no longer go out and just buy whatever the hell they want, they really should consider how they got most of their vaunted 26 World$ Champion$hips, and just shut the hell up, already.

[bigtime59]

Re: Yankees 2009

Won't be long before they're saying....HE'S BAAACCKK!
Yankees 3B Alex Rodriguez (right hip surgery) took 75 swings and hit several long homers during his third consecutive day of batting practice in Florida. Rodriguez, expected to rejoin the team by May 15, also took grounders on the infield dirt for the first time and increased the intensity of his running program. …

Miss Pay-Roid is a choking dog. You will regret her presence on your team in any pressure situation. I highly doubt she will ever win the WS ring she covets so badly for her Hall of Fame application.

[mr.miracle]

Re: Yankees 2009

I guess I frankly just don't understand exactly what is to be proud of as a Yankees fan at least over the past ten years. The premise is that this team can double, triple, quadruple every other team payroll and win or not who care, how can you be excited by that. If any team in any other sport was able to outspend the competition by an average of 3 to 1, as a fan you would certainly expect your team to win every year and be the world champion. But at the end of the day, how excited can you really be? What a thrill, I will take my all-star team at 200 Mil and beat up your A's, Rays, Twins, Rangers, O's, Royals, Blue Jays, & Indians, all of which have payrolls that start at 62 million for 09 and run up to a whopping $81 mil for the Indians. Half the teams in the league have a payroll at or slightly above 1/3rd of the Yankees payroll. Big Time had it right, either you are that inept that you cannot win every year with that much of an advantage or the other teams that do compete, A's, Twins, Indians come to mind, have absolutely stretched every piece of talent out of that roster for what they are paying. Either way, I just don't see how anyone can be excited about leveling what should be an ass kicking to these teams year in and year out.

At the end of the day, I want my team to win on as much of a level playing field as they can have. I hate, let me say this again, hate the Boston Celtics. That being said, I am pissed that Garnett is out injured. I really, really, want to see the Lakers and Celtics in a rematch of last year that is if the Celts could get past the Cavs which is a big if. No Garnett means no Celts in the finals. I don't want to win because the other team is at a complete disadvanage. Maybe I am nuts, but what have you really accomplished under those circumstances. I was pissed last year when all the Celtic fans were sooooooo excited at beating a Lakers team with two starters out. Yipee, what an incredible accomplishment. Take two starters off any NBA team and I would venture to say they won't even make the playoffs much less win the title. I just cannot feel good when I am at such an advantage over the other team that I should win every time.

I always hear people say but the Yankees have not always won. Who cares, that is a you problem. You have everything handed to you to begin the season. If you can't make the right personnel moves to win the world series every year then that is a you problem. Not a valid excuse to make it right or the system at least somewhat level or fair.

[3arod13]

Re: Yankees 2009

Miss Pay-Roid is a choking dog. You will regret her presence on your team in any pressure situation. I highly doubt she will ever win the WS ring she covets so badly for her Hall of Fame application.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[BULBUS]

Re: Yankees 2009

Miss Pay-Roid is a choking dog. You will regret her presence on your team in any pressure situation. I highly doubt she will ever win the WS ring she covets so badly for her Hall of Fame application.

How old are you?

[3arod13]

Re: Yankees 2009

How old are you?

49. I enjoy this forum tremendously. However, it gets old when people feel the need to make comments like you just did.

[3arod13]

Re: Yankees 2009

49. I enjoy this forum tremendously. However, it gets old when people feel the need to make comments like you just did.

Especially when you quote my comment, and it didn't deserve that type response.

Now, if you had just posted that comment by itself, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

[BULBUS]

Re: Yankees 2009

Especially when you quote my comment, and it didn't deserve that type response.

Now, if you had just posted that comment by itself, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

You lost me here. I commented on bigtimes post, not yours. When you use terms like "miss" and "she" refering to a male adult, I'm guessing he's around 10 yrs old?

[3arod13]

Re: Yankees 2009

You lost me here. I commented on bigtimes post, not yours. When you use terms like "miss" and "she" refering to a male adult, I'm guessing he's around 10 yrs old?

My apology. It was actually bigtime who made the comment.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Regards, Tony

[bigtime59]

Re: Yankees 2009

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

So are those trips to the playoffs the Yankee$ have bought so dearly and failed to cash in on since 2000...

[bigtime59]

Re: Yankees 2009

How old are you?

Except for my left knee, which feels like it's about 93, I'm 49.

When you use terms like "miss" and "she" refering to a male adult, I'm guessing he's around 10 yrs old?

Nah...I'd like to think I'm a little more emotionally mature than the person I was writing about!
When the highest paid player in the history of sports (once called "the most insecure millionaire I've ever met" by another MLB player) turns every playoff appearance into a gag job of epic proportions, and truly believes the world revolves around "him", I believe that "miss" and "she" are utterly appropriate.
To quote my better half, speaking about someone else with an insecurity complex not near so inflated as Miss Pay-Roids: "[Blank] is such a girl...and I mean that in the worst possible way."