ARod and allegations of pitch tipping

[cjclong]

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The book says players were maddened by ARod tipping pitches so they did what? Nothing. The Rangers manger Buck Showalter and ARod did not get along. Why didn't the players who were so angry go to the manager or other people in the organization and say ARod is hurting our team alsotell the pitchers whose pitches were being tipped and who would have been the most directly affected. If they thought ARod was tipping pitches and were so upset they could have got it stopped quick. There is something about this that doesn't pass the smell test. As far as anonymous sources, a journalist doesn't have to tell. But when a source won't reveal themselves we need some corroboration, some other evidence their story is true to take them serioulsy. It would be as if someone wrote they had been told one of the forum members, could be any of us, cheated another forum member. When asked who the person who made the accusation was they won't say who told them or who the member allegdly cheated or when . We would all be highly angry if we were accused of wrong doing by an annonymos person with no proof. And yet so many people accept these accusations of others without any question.

[ironmanfan]

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I want toknow the names of these players who were maddened by A-rod tipping off pitches. Ain't it funny that everything in her book is coming from a unknown source or a player who wont say his name.

Woodward & Bernstein never revealed their source (BTW, that's not a double play combination)

[staindsox]

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Journalists NEVER reveal their sources. They go to jail to keep their sources anonymous. If a journalist were to give up a source, they would never ever get a story again.

[yanks12025]

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I want toknow the names of these players who were maddened by A-rod tipping off pitches. Ain't it funny that everything in her book is coming from a unknown source or a player who wont say his name.

[mr.miracle]

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Guess again -

Although Rodriguez committed interference, there is no language in the rulebook that is available to the public that prohibits a runner from using his hands to avoid a tag or any other reason. It is, however, outlined in the supplemental rulebook given to umpires in section 6.1. It reads: "While contact may occur between a fielder and runner during a tag attempt, a runner is not allowed to use his hands or arms to commit an obviously malicious or unsportsmanlike act--such as grabbing, tackling, intentionally slapping at the baseball, punching, kicking, flagrantly using his arms or forearms, etc. to commit an intentional act of interference unrelated to running the bases."

Notice the rule allows for contact. If Rodriguez lowered his shoulder and ran over Arroyo, this would have been perfectly legal.

I'm not a major league umpire or a rules expert for that matter, but I remember seeing this article in Baseball Digest. It was written by Rich Marazzi in 2005.

I think that this would have been problematic on several fronts. First, Arroyo was not directly in front of Rodriguez. Any effort to run him over would have taken him well out of the baseline in which case he would have been ruled out.

Secondly, given the volatile history between both clubs, I would love to see this one happen. If Rodriguez had run out of the baseline and run Arroyo over this would have probably incited a full scale bench clearing brawl. I would have loved to have seen Steinbrenner running down from the owners box with his prized AROD toy bat taking swings at Big Papi.

[gameused]

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Here's some of whats written in the book:

In an effort to improve his statistics, Rodriguez allegedly tipped pitches to opposing middle infielders in the hope that they would later return the favor.

"Before the Texas pitcher's windup, Alex, with his left arm hanging by his side, would twist his glove back and forth as if turning a dial on a safe's lock," the book reads. "Then the hitter knew: a changeup was on the way. Alex would also sweep dirt with his cleat to tip a slider to a batter."

Roberts also describes how Rodriguez would contort his body to signal where in the strike zone the pitcher was aiming.

"Few Rangers were aware it was going on," Roberts writes, "but those who did were maddened by it."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090504&content_id=4552678&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[mwbosoxfan]

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I know im a yankee fan but i think a-rod had every right to hit the ball out of the glove. It's just like a play at the plate and you can run the catcher right over or when a second baseben is chasing you down with the ball you can take him out for being in your way.

Guess again -

Although Rodriguez committed interference, there is no language in the rulebook that is available to the public that prohibits a runner from using his hands to avoid a tag or any other reason. It is, however, outlined in the supplemental rulebook given to umpires in section 6.1. It reads: "While contact may occur between a fielder and runner during a tag attempt, a runner is not allowed to use his hands or arms to commit an obviously malicious or unsportsmanlike act--such as grabbing, tackling, intentionally slapping at the baseball, punching, kicking, flagrantly using his arms or forearms, etc. to commit an intentional act of interference unrelated to running the bases."

Notice the rule allows for contact. If Rodriguez lowered his shoulder and ran over Arroyo, this would have been perfectly legal.

I'm not a major league umpire or a rules expert for that matter, but I remember seeing this article in Baseball Digest. It was written by Rich Marazzi in 2005.

[mr.miracle]

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Originally Posted by yanks12025
I know im a yankee fan but i think a-rod had every right to hit the ball out of the glove. It's just like a play at the plate and you can run the catcher right over or when a second baseben is chasing you down with the ball you can take him out for being in your way.

The other Thing I am not getting, you can clearly see as AROID is running down the baseline in his Pink Yankees attire with his black handback which by the way does not appear to be Gucci (what is wrong with that guy) that he is not in any way impeded by the second baseman trying to tag him out. It is not like the guy was standing in the baseline in fact he is trying to chase AROID down from either behind or the side. That was just plain bushleague in every way. Now personally, I would just punch the guy in the face on my way down the line, but that is just me.

[mr.miracle]

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I know im a yankee fan but i think a-rod had every right to hit the ball out of the glove. It's just like a play at the plate and you can run the catcher right over or when a second baseben is chasing you down with the ball you can take him out for being in your way.

So, just trying to figure this out, if a pop fly is hit in the infield, can the baserunner steamroll the fielder attempting to field the fly ball preventing him from catching the pop-up?

If a player hits a ground ball to short can he tackle the first baseman or run him over assuming he is not blocking the baseline in an attempt to keep from being called out? Just not sure where that type of thing ends.

[justinlm24]

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I believe all of it. A-rod is a known liar and a cheat. So him tipping pitches really doesn't come as any surprise. It's just a shame because he could have went down as one of the best player in MLB history. Now he is just another tarnished name. It really doesn't matter if it's the truth or not. it will follow him the rest of his career. Who is next? Pujols?

[yanks12025]

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I'd rather choke once then have all the chokes that the red sox's have had over the years.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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[yanks12025]

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I know im a yankee fan but i think a-rod had every right to hit the ball out of the glove. It's just like a play at the plate and you can run the catcher right over or when a second baseben is chasing you down with the ball you can take him out for being in your way.

[quiggle28]

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[sportscentury]

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lol gameused............that sh*t is hilerious man

Yes, love or hate ARod, that is pretty darn funny.