True Dodger Blue Manny Fan

[kingjammy24]

Re: True Dodger Blue Manny Fan

Rudy: Tell me if Mike's Manny bat is legit, otherwise I'm gonna ask Lou Lampson. Seriously.

lampson likely knows as much as i do about ramirez bats. unlike lampson however, i don't want to comment on things i know nothing about.

it seems this ramirez bat really has you in a lather. why not ask bobby/"gameused" for help? he has something like 2355 ramirez bats. make a new thread..call it "DESPERATELY SEEKING BOBBY". maybe he'll chime in.

rudy.

[encinorick]

Re: True Dodger Blue Manny Fan

Rudy: Tell me if Mike's Manny bat is legit, otherwise I'm gonna ask Lou Lampson. Seriously.

[kingjammy24]

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interesting article explaining more about HCG:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4150133

rudy.

[cohibasmoker]

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Has any forum member ever been tested for drugs by their employer? I have and it's a simple process. First, you fill out a form listing all of the medications you are currently taking as well as medications that you have taken within the past year. You sign the document and give the sample - well, you actually give two (2) samples.

The sample is sent out and analyzed. If the sample comes back "hot", your list of medications is checked to see if any of your medications, past or present, may have any compounds in them that could have caused the positive test. That's it.

I don't know if MLB has the same procedure (Providing a list of medications) or not but from what I do understand, the players are notified well in advance when they are being tested.

Jim

[suicide_squeeze]

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Personally, I'm sickened by this whole fiasco.

Manny has got to be one of the stupidest athletes in the history of this world....

He has ruined this season for me. I'm sure I am not alone as a Dodger fan. Every time I think of what a fun year it was going to be, starting off with breaking a 98-yr. old record, and basically leaving all of the Western Divisional foes in a cloud of dust.....now THIS.

AGAIN.

ANOTHER PED ISSUE.


Geezuz....I have a headache, and I don't think I can stand to see the sight of that smiling dreadlocked face again. I just have no respect for a guy who can just hold his middle finger up in the face of society like this while he cheats to get ahead.

In fact, I'd like to see the Dodgers get their attorneys to sue Boras and his "client" and completely void out the two-year contract.

Screw Manny Ramirez. Yes, I'm pissed.

encinorick......I still can tell why you're being so giddy about this whole thing, and why you keep chanting on about a Manny bat. My suggestion to you is to buy your son a James Loney bat, or an Andre Ethier bat.

Forget this self-indulged money grubbing lying bastard.

[corsairs22]

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If Manny went to a doctor for some problem and the doctor prescribed a medicine that unexpectedly led to a positive on the steroid test (or if it showed up as a steroid masking agent), then the doctor would be responsible for misinforming Manny about the effects of the medicine and for jeopardizing Manny's career. If this really happened, Ramirez's reps would be screaming bloody murder and suing this doctor for billions. But Manny is keeping quiet--because there is no doctor to blame. This means that he is NOT hall of fame material.

[kingjammy24]

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If you had a "personal problem" and were a classically introverted personality as Manny is... would you run to the team doctor or open the LA phone book to fix your problem? For a guy that doesn't take trust lightly... do you trust your inner circle and attempt to fly under the radar or do you trust your new home some 3,000 miles away?

re: manny's new home
the LA medical community has long treated celebrities far more A-list than manny ramirez. manny is what passes for a celebrity in places like boston. in LA, not so much. i have a hard time seeing the dodgers team doctor running to TMZ or the enquirer because manny told him he couldn't get it up.

besides, why would the dodgers care if manny was having a sexual dysfunction? i can only understand players hiding two things: injuries and banned PED-use.

rudy.

[encinorick]

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Tell ya a story. I have friend (yes, I do have friends) who was at one of those second-rated sports fairs last year and some poor guys shows up with a Mark McGwire GU bat. He said he paid thousands for it and wanted to sell it for a couple hundred dollars. My friend said nope. I agreed. I could care less if it was GU or not, I don't believe that McGwire was a baseball player, he just hit home runs on steriods, that's it.

First, batter-up, someone tell me why raider's bat isn't real. I'm an idiot if I buy a GU Manny bat that isn't a GU Manny bat, but, if it's real, a Manny GU bat that's not cracked, I'll buy it.

[NEFAN]

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Regardless of the strong feelings yesterday and today... if this proves to be his lone run-in with the PED police and he contributes as the Dodgers make the playoffs, threatens 600hr and 2000rbi - he's still a first ballot HOF'er. He's obviously going to go down as one of the more crazy/interesting guys to ever play the game, but he's far from the Bonds and Clemens of the world in my opinion.

This issue is already keeping people from the Hall of fame, 1st ballot at least. Manny won't care about the Hall of Fame as soon as he finds out there is no extra $$ in it for him.

[Rob L]

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is it true Manny sells his own game used jerseys with inscriptions dates but that the jersey doesn't photo match that specific date/game?

Yep.

[kingjammy24]

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"Am I crazy, if for nothing more than representing the other side here, for thinking for a minute that Manny indeed was given this drug by a physician for a real personal problem?"

yes.

"And not only that, but that he has the rare personality type that he'd rather take the 50 games and lay low and be lazy than he would fight it and find himself in the middle of another media circus?"

again, yes. manny created a media circus by publically negotiating with the dodgers over cash. it was clear that if cash is on the line, he'll take as much of a media circus as it takes.

"Although this drug is commonly used to mask steroid use, it has indeed been used for other issues."

true, to encourage ovulation in women. if that's really what manny was using it for, then there are clearly bigger issues at play.

"If you had a "personal problem" and were a classically introverted personality as Manny is... would you run to the team doctor or open the LA phone book to fix your problem?"

implying what exactly? that if he had gone to the team doctor, the team doctor would've then issued a press release disclosing the entire thing?

"For a guy that doesn't take trust lightly... do you trust your inner circle and attempt to fly under the radar or do you trust your new home some 3,000 miles away?"

there's a probably a reason he didn't tell the team doctor and "flew under the radar" and i highly doubt it's because he really thought the team doctor would risk his livelihood and breach doctor/patient confidentiality.

none of what you're saying is making much sense. nice ramirez bat collection though.

rudy.

[sylbry]

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Marion Jones has never tested positive for steriods but still used them and admitted it.

I find it interesting how people rationalize cheating by likeable players while condeming cheating by the unlikeable ones. If we keeping score here Manny has failed more drug tests than Bonds but Bonds is still the posterboy for the steriod era. I guess a little good will goes a long way.

[quiggle28]

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is it true Manny sells his own game used jerseys with inscriptions dates but that the jersey doesn't photo match that specific date/game?

[kingjammy24]

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Being stupid and being a cheat are two things. Manny has been tested at least 15 times without incident.

not being caught simply means not being caught; it doesn't necessarily mean the person didn't commit the offense. there are substances that the MLB tests can't detect. and there's always a first time for everything..i don't think palmeiro juiced it early on. i don't think sosa was juicing it when he was with the rangers and weighing 168lbs. i don't think clemens was juicing it in the 80s. times and circumstances change.

anyway, i'm curious how you explain the HCG? manny being so stupid that he was actually trying to ovulate? its legitimate use is as a female fertility drug. i guess it happens to be a wacky coincidence that athletes happen to use it to "increase testosterone production. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment". also a nutty coincidence that "testerone from an artificial source" was found in ramirez's system.

if it was a sexual dysfunction, why not take the usual remedy, viagra/cialis, and get a theraputic use exemption from major league baseball?

rudy.

[nationals2k9]

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Regardless of the strong feelings yesterday and today... if this proves to be his lone run-in with the PED police and he contributes as the Dodgers make the playoffs, threatens 600hr and 2000rbi - he's still a first ballot HOF'er. He's obviously going to go down as one of the more crazy/interesting guys to ever play the game, but he's far from the Bonds and Clemens of the world in my opinion.