OT : Marlins rookie pays fan 'ransom' for HR ball

[eisenreich8]

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My opinion (and this is my opinion not my absolute rule for everyone) is the ball is the fan's and he should either keep it or give it to the player. If he gives it to the player and gets a memento in return that's fine and dandy, but he should not not bargain for big stuff in return. It's like the last piece of birthday cake on your plate. It's fine for you to eat it and it's nice to give it to the person next to you, but its unseemly to haggle over it the damn thing at a crowded table.

BULLSEYE David!

[eisenreich8]

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Eisenreich8, You should have gone with initial better judgement and not bothered to respond. Your posts, unlike some others here are always interesting and articulate, so why bother responding to chidish baiting? Why get caught up in another round of drama? After awhile, you learn how to navigate past the juvenile name calling posts and focus on the great majority of members here who really have something to offer the hobby.

You're right Danny, I was caught in a weak moment. Thank you for your complimentary words. I hope I remain in the good graces of the fellow members I hold in such high esteem and have charitable opinions of me, such as you have indicated.

I am on a new journey now. Thanks Danny.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Eisenreich8, You should have gone with initial better judgement and not bothered to respond. Your posts, unlike some others here are always interesting and articulate, so why bother responding to chidish baiting? Why get caught up in another round of drama? After awhile, you learn how to navigate past the juvenile name calling posts and focus on the great majority of members here who really have something to offer the hobby.

Danny899,

I was just curious....What interesting and articulate comments, of course aside from the juvenile name calling you incorrectly refer to, caused you to feel possessed enough to want to post here? Did you just want to add your little "something" of relevance or insight that you have to, you know, ..... "offer the hobby"?

Because if so, wow, I must be void between the ears. I just can't find anything relevant in what you posted, partner?


Or......maybe.......was it sour grapes over this?....

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=24378&page=5

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: OT : Marlins rookie pays fan 'ransom' for HR ball

Actually, Suicide_Squeeze, I feel foolish merely answering your juvenile and petty post. Against my better judgment, I will acknowledge you for the final time, ever, I might add, by stating that you should really get a grip.

If what I offered as MY personal and negative opinions against Manny Ramirez can possibly cause you to get a week's worth of tears on your tutu, I have boundless sympathy for you in that thin skin of yours.

My words, my opinions, my steadfast stubbornness to stick by all I said and all I may ever say. Feel free to bushwhack me all you like, I REALLY THINK IT'S COMICAL, how a week after a comment I made you can still not get it out of your head.

MANNY'S NEW TEAM now knows he's a cancer too! Maybe I am your personal cancer, Suicide_Squeeze. Go ahead, get it all out brother cuz you have the floor now. Here's a Kleenex.......

Actually, eisenreich8, I couldn't care less about Manny Ramirez anymore.

I was simply asking you a question about how'd you feel if this player turned out to be like him? But then you went off in a rant, completely avoiding my question (for obvious personal dramatic reasons).

By the way, it was not a baiting question. But it did serve my purpose well, as your response so obviously indicated.

I was pointing out how insincere you come off at times, at times taking the high road on subjects like a father of the cloth, while at other times putting on the baggy pants gang-garb and lowering yourself to the depths of a scum-filled gutter when you hate a subject or player. It just comes off as disingenuious......just thought you should realize that. You are at both ends of the extreme, is there never a middle ground? Maybe just think about it?

Take care, no offense intended towards you or your opinions....really.

[suicide_squeeze]

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A bit off topic. I was at last night's Mariners Red Sox game and was near the guy who caught Ichiro's second home run. An official immediately went over to the guy and give him a team COA for the ball. It was a small card with Mariners logo and the official wrote in the info-- Ichiro, date, etc.

Now that is sweet!

Wouldn't it be great if all ballparks and management handled things that way?

In reality, they are preserving a little piece of "baseball history", which is a very respected move in our hobby.

I understand there are MLB authenticatorsat every game in every ballpark. Why won't they do this for every ball that ends up in the seats? Now, it appears they only do it if it's a MAJOR milestone homerun, or if it ends up in the bullpen or other area where someone in the organization gets ahold of it, who then has access to the MLB authenticator who placed the sticker on the ball. I for one would really like to see MLB step up their authentication of home run balls. They are an unimprovable achievement on an individual basis, representing a moment of "perfection" achieved by the player that also is a direct piece responsible for adding to his career stats. What more could a collector ask for in a game used item?

[suicide_squeeze]

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Man, I read these posts, and I just laugh at how everyone wants to impose their will on others. Obviously the honorable thing to do would be to give it back to the player because it was his first homer, and there is absolute sentimental value to the ball and event for the player. But, unfortunately for Mr. Coughlin, a fan who has been around the block a few times was the one who caught it. So, as the one who is in search of obtaining the ball, the player needs to suck it up and do as the fan asks. It's that simple.

Everyone obviously has a differnet opinion on how the fan handled it, but you can't blame him for trying to get something that he feels he can get in traded worth for it?

These baseball players think we're all wannabe's, folks. Don't get all soft on them and beat up a fan for handling the situation the way he saw fit? You don't have to agree with the way he handled it (or what he was asking for.....I sure didn't).....but the guy knew what he was doing.

Go to a signing show three or four times in your life. You will soon see that, although there are certainly great guys in the sports world, a lot of them aren't so great. In fact, they are downright selfish and rude, not caring one bit about what you want (ex. asking them to sign a bat on the sweet spot, only to see them turn the dang thing over to spite you and sign the back of the barrel as an example.....I've seen it done!).

Look, when a baseball is hit by a professional baseball player into the seats.....guess what folks? It ISN'T THE PLAYERS PROPERTY, the TEAMS PROPERTY, the ORGANIZATIONS PROPERTY.....it's the lucky FAN'S PROPERTY who caught the ball.

As such, the guy/girl who ends up with the piece of baseball memorabilia is entitled to do whatever they wish to do with it.

Keep that in mind before you stick a sword in the fan asking for something in return. He was a well-seasoned ballhawk.....this player just happened to hit it into the wrong seat....that's all.

Maybe as a "professional", he shouldn't have even gotten involved in the negotiations for the ball. He should have just let the organizations staff handle it. And if it didn't work out? Oh well...that's life. We as fans never get what we want all the time. He would have had to just live with the disappointment like the rest of us do.

[David]

Re: OT : Marlins rookie pays fan 'ransom' for HR ball

My opinion (and this is my opinion not my absolute rule for everyone) is the ball is the fan's and he should either keep it or give it to the player. If he gives it to the player and gets a memento in return that's fine and dandy, but he should not not bargain for big stuff in return. It's like the last piece of birthday cake on your plate. It's fine for you to eat it and it's nice to give it to the person next to you, but its unseemly to haggle over it the damn thing at a crowded table.

[OaklandAsFan]

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I would give the ball back for a signed bat from the player but I would add in something else IF it could happen for certain situations.


For example I really want a Holliday bat so if I caught a ball from a rook on the A's I would ask if there was any chance of getting a Holliday bat. If not no biggie deal is still good, If he tells me that he will see what Matt says and Matt says go for it awesome. I would never hold a ball for "ransom"

[David]

Re: OT : Marlins rookie pays fan 'ransom' for HR ball

A bit off topic. I was at last night's Mariners Red Sox game and was near the guy who caught Ichiro's second home run. An official immediately went over to the guy and give him a team COA for the ball. It was a small card with Mariners logo and the official wrote in the info-- Ichiro, date, etc.

[ndevlin]

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So tired of today's "what's in it for me" morality.

I woulda coughed up the ball for nuthin' - one bat signed and a pic woulda been MORE than enough for me. Fan made the whole thing an ordeal.

Exactly!!!

[camarokids]

Re: OT : Marlins rookie pays fan 'ransom' for HR ball

I would have said I want a team signed baseball and one of his game used bats signed by the team. If there would have been any attitude from the player I would have said "no thank you", "I will keep the ball".

A lot of these players look down on fans as second class citizens.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Countless players sell their game used items. They sign them "game-used" and attach a hologram. It is well documented that they sell items as game used on a certain date that were not used on any date. Did you see all the Marlins officials squirm when "asking" the fan for the ball to be returned? Team psychologist? The player wants this ball "cause it's "sentimental". If it's so damn sentimental, then pay the piper. Players look down on fans who want something "game used". Just give him a jersey from the team store...he won't know the difference.
I say give him a minty Rawlings ball in the box. He wants THIS ball 'cause it's the first one of his career? Don't rest on your laurels! Go out and hit more homers. Start crying when you break Hank Aaron's 755.

By the way...the fan looks like a jackball for writing down the inscription that he wants the player to inscribe.
I say, keep the ball, get MLB to document it...give it to Coughlin when he retires or is cut. Give him and the team psychologist something to talk about.

[mvandor]

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So tired of today's "what's in it for me" morality.

I woulda coughed up the ball for nuthin' - one bat signed and a pic woulda been MORE than enough for me. Fan made the whole thing an ordeal.

[Danny899]

Re: OT : Marlins rookie pays fan 'ransom' for HR ball

Actually, Suicide_Squeeze, I feel foolish merely answering your juvenile and petty post. Against my better judgment, I will acknowledge you for the final time, ever, I might add, by stating that you should really get a grip.

If what I offered as MY personal and negative opinions against Manny Ramirez can possibly cause you to get a week's worth of tears on your tutu, I have boundless sympathy for you in that thin skin of yours.

My words, my opinions, my steadfast stubbornness to stick by all I said and all I may ever say. Feel free to bushwhack me all you like, I REALLY THINK IT'S COMICAL, how a week after a comment I made you can still not get it out of your head.

MANNY'S NEW TEAM now knows he's a cancer too! Maybe I am your personal cancer, Suicide_Squeeze. Go ahead, get it all out brother cuz you have the floor now. Here's a Kleenex.......

Eisenreich8, You should have gone with initial better judgement and not bothered to respond. Your posts, unlike some others here are always interesting and articulate, so why bother responding to chidish baiting? Why get caught up in another round of drama? After awhile, you learn how to navigate past the juvenile name calling posts and focus on the great majority of members here who really have something to offer the hobby.

[eisenreich8]

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eisenreich8,

After being so righteous and noble, what would you then do if you were to read three months later that Coghlan was a bad teammate, and had been suspended for 50 games as a player who tested positive for a banned substance in MLB?

Would you feel foolish?

Or....would you call him a CANCER and wish all hell to come crashing down on him and his world........like you did Manny Ramirez?


Just curious...

Actually, Suicide_Squeeze, I feel foolish merely answering your juvenile and petty post. Against my better judgment, I will acknowledge you for the final time, ever, I might add, by stating that you should really get a grip.

If what I offered as MY personal and negative opinions against Manny Ramirez can possibly cause you to get a week's worth of tears on your tutu, I have boundless sympathy for you in that thin skin of yours.

My words, my opinions, my steadfast stubbornness to stick by all I said and all I may ever say. Feel free to bushwhack me all you like, I REALLY THINK IT'S COMICAL, how a week after a comment I made you can still not get it out of your head.

MANNY'S NEW TEAM now knows he's a cancer too! Maybe I am your personal cancer, Suicide_Squeeze. Go ahead, get it all out brother cuz you have the floor now. Here's a Kleenex.......