I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

[camarokids]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

How bout them Royals David??

Hey Nate,
It was great meeting you and seeing Kaufman Stadium. I was impressed with the entire KC Area. I was equally impressed with all the beautiful women we saw there . My only regret was missing BP.

[ndevlin]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

No disrespect intended towards you Tony with my post, as you are a fine member to this board.

Just as you said all the differing opinions and so on.....

Any new Arod bats?

How bout them Royals David??

[camarokids]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Agree! Sorry I started this thread. Too many differences of opinions, where people feel very strongly about their opinions, and take offense to others opinions if not on track with theirs.

Intent was not for this to turn into what it has become. I shouldn't have used Vick as the example.

Please don't add to this thread. It has nowhere else to go but down hill.

Regards, Tony

No disrespect intended towards you Tony with my post, as you are a fine member to this board.

Just as you said all the differing opinions and so on.....

Any new Arod bats?

[3arod13]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Can we start talking game used stuff now? please.....

Agree! Sorry I started this thread. Too many differences of opinions, where people feel very strongly about their opinions, and take offense to others opinions if not on track with theirs.

Intent was not for this to turn into what it has become. I shouldn't have used Vick as the example.

Please don't add to this thread. It has nowhere else to go but down hill.

Regards, Tony

[dirtyla2000]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Well I suppose that's all a point of view, even if from a legal standpoint. But if you are saying Vick and his clan didn't murder dogs, then you're just looking for an argument for argument's sake.

Killing...murdering...slaughtering...taking the life of.......manslaughter......I mean if you want to get down to it, the only difference between each is the legality that differentiates them from eachother.

But to say you can't murder a dog for the sake of mincing words is finding a way to murder common sense....congratulations.

CURIOUS,DO YOU HATE ASIAN COUNTRIES THAT EAT DOGS? ARENT THEY MURDERERS TOO!

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

YOU MURDER HUMANS NOT DOGS,STALLWORTH IS A MURDERER,

Well I suppose that's all a point of view, even if from a legal standpoint. But if you are saying Vick and his clan didn't murder dogs, then you're just looking for an argument for argument's sake.

Killing...murdering...slaughtering...taking the life of.......manslaughter......I mean if you want to get down to it, the only difference between each is the legality that differentiates them from eachother.

But to say you can't murder a dog for the sake of mincing words is finding a way to murder common sense....congratulations.

[whatupyos]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

To Tony and the rest who side with him:

I see your point. Its valid and understandable. Let me ask a few rhetorical questions.

1) Would you let OJ Simpson take your wife out?

2) Would you let Michael Jackson babysit your kids?

3) Would you let Michael Vick puppy sit your dogs?

Case in point. You can't blame people for having an opinion about not wanting to give them a second chance.

Aaron

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Can we start talking game used stuff now? please.....

That is a good idea.

[camarokids]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Can we start talking game used stuff now? please.....

[dirtyla2000]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

In all fairness to Tony (who started this particular thread), he feels strongly about "Do the crime, do the time".......and then leave the guy alone so he can make amends with himself and society.

There have been some good comments here in this thread. But I'll take it one step further.

If the scum in our society that perpetrates crimes like this weren't deeply twisted and mal-adjusted in the first place, these crimes wouldn't happen. But, there ARE twisted infected unwired individuals like Vick who do these sick things. Some get caught, some do time.

The question of whether or not he should be allowed back into society, play football, etc. is in my opinion, silly and missing the point.


The POINT here is, this guy has been identified as a cruel, sick, murdering bastard. This is not something you can just laugh off, say "I'm sorry, I made some wrong decisions in my life, I'll just make sure not to do them again."

NORMAL PEOPLE don't do sick things like this. This freak is now free to go do as he see's fit.

And we have already seen what "his view" is of what to do on his spare time. Any wrath he get's is just an expression of the outrage against his prior actions which are not comparible to making a left turn through a red light at a busy intersection. This guy bought a freaking HOUSE in the backwoods to perpetrate these heiness deeds!!! Additionally, the backlash is about further having to cope with the uncomfortable fact that this guy is now walking around in our society again. People have a right to be outraged, upset, and aggitated by the pure sight of him. He's got a tough road to hoe in from of him, and I don't know if he has the character to overcome it.

You see, people, you can cage the tiger for wandering onto your backyard and eating your pets......but once you release him, he still has that same genetic make-up inside.

In my opinion, he should have a $12.00 an hour security guard job watching over a large storage wherehouse in an outback town far away from society.

But that's just me.

YOU MURDER HUMANS NOT DOGS,STALLWORTH IS A MURDERER,

[mr.miracle]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

My problem with this and it has nothing to do with Vick whatsoever is that I believe that pro sports teams like many many companies in America have done, should not hire or employ convicted felons, i.e. allow them to compete and or play in the league. There are many, many careers, jobs, companies that convicted felons are either barred from working in such as Financial Advisor what I used to do, and my current career in food service in a healthcare environment, neither the hospital that I work in nor the company as a contractor that I work for will employ or hire convicted felons. Many companies from restaurants, to retail, to health care, financial services etc. will not employ convicted felons or taking it one step further, your license is permanently pulled and you may never work in that industry again.

Although this is a different situation altogether, how many people would like to see Bernie Madoff get out of jail (which he never will) and begin working as a Financial Advisor/fund manager again? That would be a great idea would it not?

Perhaps if this strategy was employed by MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL etc. it would send a strong message that the leagues are not going to put up with this nonsense. After all, like it or not, these guys are role models for kids and when you are turning on the tv every other week and seeing the latest athlete get arrested or suspended for god knows what, it really send a very bad message that the almight dollar is far more important than the character of the individuals employed by said company or league.

[Capital-Sports]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

I think he should work the night shift at Wal Mart stocking shelves.

[ndevlin]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Nate,

I believe this has been commented on before, but I'll take a stab at trying to make you feel a biut better for the (arguably) light sentence....

The MAJOR difference between Vick's crime, and Stallworth's accident is not man vs. dog, not ultimate effect of losing a few dogs vs. losing a member of a family who was a father, bread winner, etc.......

.....it was "intent".

Stallworth, although responsible and absolutely accountable for drinking and then getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and causing a death, as horrible as that is, was an accident. He never intended to kill anybody.

Michael Vick,inversely, planned and masterminded an intricate dog-fighting ring while financially backing the whole operation, with the intent to carry on dog fighting to the death on a regular basis.

The "intent" behind what Michael Vick did, and the absense of intent in what occured due to Stallworth's bad decision......are two entirely different things, and you can see the recognized results of that in the sentences each got.

I am not arguing in any way with your point of view, I am just trying to ease your frustration by explaining the views of law and what punishments are based on. We, as a society, however, may lean more towards your view so feel free to be angry, just understand why these things happen as they do so you it won't eat at your gut. Personally, with all of the old news about "drinking and driving" in this day and age, I happen to agree with you......it's rediculous at this point in time for anyone who makes this ongoing mistake to be let off so easy.....but it happens.

Yeah, I know that Stallworth had no intentions of killing anyone. But he did intend to get drunk, then decided to get behind the wheel. Though he didnt mean to kill anyone, he still did. And I think that should be a longer sentence than 24 days in jail. To me, thats absurd.

[3arod13]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

In all fairness to Tony (who started this particular thread), he feels strongly about "Do the crime, do the time".......and then leave the guy alone so he can make amends with himself and society.

Pretty much my point. Shouldn't have used Vick as the example though.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: I Can No Longer Keep My Opinion About Michael Vick To Myself!

Im more upset over the Stallworth case. 20 some odd days for killing someone!

He took it upon himself to get drunk, get behind the wheel, then hit and kill a person. His sentence....24 days in jail. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

If Vick gets a year in jail for killing dogs, then that little punk Stallworth should get at least 5 for killing a person.(I personally think more).

Im not saying one case is more important than the other, but they are definitely unbalanced. I mean think about it....24 days in jail for taking a life....sheesh.


Id love to see Stallworth get a 10+ yr sentence.

Nate,

I believe this has been commented on before, but I'll take a stab at trying to make you feel a biut better for the (arguably) light sentence....

The MAJOR difference between Vick's crime, and Stallworth's accident is not man vs. dog, not ultimate effect of losing a few dogs vs. losing a member of a family who was a father, bread winner, etc.......

.....it was "intent".

Stallworth, although responsible and absolutely accountable for drinking and then getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and causing a death, as horrible as that is, was an accident. He never intended to kill anybody.

Michael Vick,inversely, planned and masterminded an intricate dog-fighting ring while financially backing the whole operation, with the intent to carry on dog fighting to the death on a regular basis.

The "intent" behind what Michael Vick did, and the absense of intent in what occured due to Stallworth's bad decision......are two entirely different things, and you can see the recognized results of that in the sentences each got.

I am not arguing in any way with your point of view, I am just trying to ease your frustration by explaining the views of law and what punishments are based on. We, as a society, however, may lean more towards your view so feel free to be angry, just understand why these things happen as they do so you it won't eat at your gut. Personally, with all of the old news about "drinking and driving" in this day and age, I happen to agree with you......it's rediculous at this point in time for anyone who makes this ongoing mistake to be let off so easy.....but it happens.