Scoreboard Triple Crown

[kingjammy24]

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from what i understand scoreboard signed individual athletes to contracts. i'm guessing then it was these athletes who procured their jerseys from rawlings. willie mays did indeed have a deal with scoreboard back in the day. so what exactly was willie supposed to ask rawlings for? jerseys "just like he wore while playing in 1989" like the other players? i'd be interested to see what kind of tagging the 1989 scoreboard will clarks had (if indeed i am correct that clark was part of scoreboards offerings. the only ones i'm 100% sure of are strawberry, canseco, and bo).

here's an '89 clark with the same style of tagging as the ebay mays: http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...uction_ID=6848#

anyone know why someone drew a star on the front? here's what i don't get about the AMI will clark jersey - it has a black armband which i believe was only worn during the world series in 1989. the jersey doesn't have a world series patch so how did it get an armband?

note, here's another 1989 will clark that does NOT have ebay mays' style tagging yet it has an armband and ws patch: http://www.huntauctions.com/LIVE/ima...um=21&lot_qual=

here's clark during the 1989 NLCS. no armband:


so the armband only went into effect for the world series yet the AMI jersey, with the "Purchased from SF Giants" stamp has an armband yet no WS patch. also the position of the armband on the AMI jersey is not consistent with game photos. very odd.

anyway, here's willie mays during the 1989 WS. willie ain't wearin a jersey:



rudy.

[Marichal27]

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This is what I'm trying to tell someone on ebay. That Clark,
1. You can't see the patch because it is covered by another photo.
2. That AMI Clark has the black armband up too high. Should be right down to the trim. Here's a couple of real one's from 1989.

[kingjammy24]

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1. You can't see the patch because it is covered by another photo.

are you saying the AMI clark has the WS patch?

there's no mention of it in the description or title. what sort of nutjob auction house gets a jersey with a WS patch on it and doesn't mention it at all?

i find the star to be very intriguing. almost as if someone drew it on there to denote something about the jersey; to permanently mark it for a specific reason.

rudy.

[Marichal27]

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Rudy.....Don't forget ....they are AMI. Nothing makes much sense with them. As far as the star, I have no idea about that on. I've never seen that before.

[Marichal27]

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are you saying the AMI clark has the WS patch?

there's no mention of it in the description or title. what sort of nutjob auction house gets a jersey with a WS patch on it and doesn't mention it at all?

i find the star to be very intriguing. almost as if someone drew it on there to denote something about the jersey; to permanently mark it for a specific reason.

rudy.

Plus I've seen a Scoreboard "Clark" home jersey with the WS patch. About two months ago.

[Marichal27]

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this thread seems to have evolved into 2 unrelated issues.

1) the correct tagging for 1989 giants jerseys

2) whether or not scoreboard offered 1989 home willie mays jerseys

zonker, the pics you show do not show the same style of tagging as the ebay mays. your tags have a 2-digit year, the ebay mays' have a 4-digit year. given that they aren't the same, i'm not sure what point you were trying to make. your kelly downs jersey is from 1991, has a correct 1990/91 style rawlings tag and a 2-digit year. how does this comment on a 1989 willie mays jersey with an incorrect 1990/91 style rawlings tag with a 4-digit year?



if the tagging seen on the ebay mays jerseys is correct, then it's completely irrelevant to the scoreboard issue because the scoreboard shirts should have the correct tagging! that is, a scoreboard shirt isn't identified by incorrect tagging. for me, this thread wasn't really about correct tagging on 1989 giants shirts but rather about the ebay mays' jerseys being scoreboard shirts. so far, i've seen about 5 of these things, they're all home jerseys and they're all set 2. mays really went through 5 home jerseys in 1989? and somehow they all wound up being set 2? does anyone with any common sense believe this to be likely? what are the odds of a part-time hitting instructor being issued 5 home set 2 jerseys in 1989? and of course, they're all autographed which was how the scoreboard shirts were offered.

rudy.

I was takling to Lon Lewis, this afternoon, and he was telling me Scoreboard sold these, I remember the adds in SCD, when it was worth reading, plus Scoreboard sold them on QVC or one of those shopping shows on TV on top of that.

[lon lewis]

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I can't take it any longer as this thread has really gone off of the deep end. The ridiculous speculation and all of the attendant nonsense. Where in the world do you guys get this stuff?
There are so many misconceptions here that I can't even begin to address them all. I will however, explain to Rudy that the reason you can find 1989 Giants jerseys with the armband and lacking the patch is because the Giants only put the patch on 1 home and 1 road jersey for the series. Before you "don't understand" I'll anticipate your question- The Giants didn't have a sufficent quantity of patches to put on all of the jerseys so it was decided to put the patch on 1 home and 1 road.

Willie Mays: Mays was "brought back" to the Giants in 1986 as a "special assistant" to the G.M. ( Al Rosen) he was NOT a hitting instructor, batting coach or roving instructor as has been alluded to.

Dick Dobbins: Dobbins was merely the individual who sold what the Giants provided him. Dobbins did NOT-- I REPEAT- NOT have anything to do with the ordering of the uniforms. To suggest otherwise well, someone has a real active imagination.

Scoreboard: I did see Mays appearance on QVC in the early 90's and the jerseys sold on that show were the same as what's being offered on ebay. As to who would have ordered them from Rawlings, it would have been either QVC or Scoreboard. The athletes would have been paid to sign and promote them.

One final note, the jerseys that have been listed recently on ebay are Scoreboard/QVC jerseys nothing is going to change that no over- enhanced descriptions, no maybe this or maybe that, no amount of fanciful speculation. Get over it.

[kingjammy24]

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..As to who would have ordered them from Rawlings, it would have been either QVC or Scoreboard. The athletes would have been paid to sign and promote them.

if ordered from rawlings by either qvc or scoreboard, i still "don't understand" why these were pro-spec jerseys. at the time, rawlings had retail offerings. i've seen the scoreboard cert for the canseco jersey and it was merely billed as an "autographed jersey". i can't imagine qvc/scoreboard explicitly placed orders for "game-issued style" jerseys nor can i understand why rawlings went to all of the extra lengths to make up such shirts, complete with strip tags, when retail jerseys would've sufficed.



rudy.

[Marichal27]

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if ordered from rawlings by either qvc or scoreboard, i still "don't understand" why these were pro-spec jerseys. at the time, rawlings had retail offerings. i've seen the scoreboard cert for the canseco jersey and it was merely billed as an "autographed jersey". i can't imagine qvc/scoreboard explicitly placed orders for "game-issued style" jerseys nor can i understand why rawlings went to all of the extra lengths to make up such shirts, complete with strip tags, when retail jerseys would've sufficed.



rudy.

Rudy....It's called marketing. If it was just a retail jersey, it would not have sold as much from Scoreboard. Scoreboard had deals with the big and ex MLB stars, and Rawlings was the MLB supplier of the jerseys.Ask Lon.

[zonker]

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lon that makes no sence at all. why in the world would dick dobbins be selling score board jerseys and why would the giants have these jerseys to begin with if they were issued to score board or qvc and then have dick offer them. were they offered as issued jerseys with giants c.o.a. this is why these jerseys keep baffling people. the score board jerseys according to members on here were pro-tagged jerseys. i didn't think that anyone could just order pro-tagged jerseys fron rawlings. i thought that would be a contract violation with mlb as there supplier. also if the team or player wasn't ordering these jerseys for willie. what is he wearing in all those pictures of him at opening day,world series,and old timers games during this time period. some say willie was never an instructor for the giants. but according to the press and willie he was. still very confusing!

[zonker]

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well it doesnt matter now. talked with seller this morning and directed him to this thread again and he agreed to end listing until he can find out exactly what this jersey is,although he claims his description was correct as the jersey was issued by rawlings in1989 and signed by willie. he stated he never said the jersey was used in any way only that willie was at these event's wearing this style jersey. he only offered it as issued and signed. well i guess confusion kills.

[Marichal27]

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lon that makes no sence at all. why in the world would dick dobbins be selling score board jerseys and why would the giants have these jerseys to begin with if they were issued to score board or qvc and then have dick offer them. were they offered as issued jerseys with giants c.o.a. this is why these jerseys keep baffling people. the score board jerseys according to members on here were pro-tagged jerseys. i didn't think that anyone could just order pro-tagged jerseys fron rawlings. i thought that would be a contract violation with mlb as there supplier. also if the team or player wasn't ordering these jerseys for willie. what is he wearing in all those pictures of him at opening day,world series,and old timers games during this time period. some say willie was never an instructor for the giants. but according to the press and willie he was. still very confusing!

Dick never sold Scoreboard jerseys.

[lon lewis]

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Zonker, After reading your comments abut my post, I feel as though I'm back in the McAuliffe "debate" from March of this year. I don't know what "sense" my post doesn't make as I was responding in part to the assertion/speculation YOU made in your post that Dobbins was ordering/ selling Scorboard jerseys. As Marichal 27 correctly put it, Dobbins didn't sell Scoreboard jerseys. You also wonder why the Giants would have these jerseys and put them out there. here's a news flash for you- the Giants didn't have those jerseys QVC & Scoreboard did- and since they were marketed and sold in the early '90's the Giants 1989 jerseys were long gone by then. Anyone who claims otherwise is mistaken. While there were Mays jerseys ordered '86-89 (and probably later) for his use, they were tagged in the same fashion as the rest of their order. What he's wearing for those "pictures", is what the Giants had made for him not what has been offered on ebay. I would like to point out that the ST photo was probably taken in '86 and is identified as Tempe Az. the Giants in those days conducted the early portion of S.T. at Indian School Park in SCOTTSDALE Arizona. If the photographer couldn't get the city right, who's to say the rest of the caption is correct? If you had actually read my post, you'd note that I never said the Giants had no jerseys ordered for Mays in 1989 or that Dobbins was selling Scoreboard jerseys.

[Marichal27]

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Zonker, After reading your comments abut my post, I feel as though I'm back in the McAuliffe "debate" from March of this year. I don't know what "sense" my post doesn't make as I was responding in part to the assertion/speculation YOU made in your post that Dobbins was ordering/ selling Scorboard jerseys. As Marichal 27 correctly put it, Dobbins didn't sell Scoreboard jerseys. You also wonder why the Giants would have these jerseys and put them out there. here's a news flash for you- the Giants didn't have those jerseys QVC & Scoreboard did- and since they were marketed and sold in the early '90's the Giants 1989 jerseys were long gone by then. Anyone who claims otherwise is mistaken. While there were Mays jerseys ordered '86-89 (and probably later) for his use, they were tagged in the same fashion as the rest of their order. What he's wearing for those "pictures", is what the Giants had made for him not what has been offered on ebay. I would like to point out that the ST photo was probably taken in '86 and is identified as Tempe Az. the Giants in those days conducted the early portion of S.T. at Indian School Park in SCOTTSDALE Arizona. If the photographer couldn't get the city right, who's to say the rest of the caption is correct? If you had actually read my post, you'd note that I never said the Giants had no jerseys ordered for Mays in 1989 or that Dobbins was selling Scoreboard jerseys.

To give anyone an idea, Carl Hubbell died in 11/88. I bet that the photo was done in 1986. Pretty sure Mays was in a uniform in spring training starting in '86.

[sox83cubs84]

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Marichal:

I would be inclined to agree with you...I have seen a Mays 1986 Wilson home gamer up for auction in the past...proper tagging and styling, and almost certainly a spring training used piece, as very few teams (maybe none) had yet adopted the practice of wearing BP jerseys for spring games.

As far as associating Dick Dobbins with ScoreBoard jerseys ...that's like putting Nancy Pelosi in the Republican party...no go.

Dave M.
Chicago area