Joe Girardi

[Ollie]

Re: Joe Girardi

Totally with you here Suave. I do wonder if our Yanks would have made the Post Season no matter who was managing, our team (After A-Rod came back) was so strong.

Joe frustrates me most in that sometimes his handing of the bullpen is fantastic, almost better then Mr T's then other times like last night you wonder if he just has a chimp on his shoulder who tells him what to do. I don't like the way he sometimes brings Mo in for a four out save when Hughes is doing a good job and we have seen once or twice that go wrong.

If we had won the game yesterday with Aceves pitching, great there would be some questions as to why he didn't just let Robertson pitch but we move on to the next game. But it blew up in his face and you could see by his reactions in the dugout that after the opening double, maybe this wasn't such a great idea.

I am biased, I didn't want Joe to manage from the beginning of 08 but I will begrudgingly admit he does have tendencies to be a good manager, he just blows it with decisions like this. I still think we will win the World Series though!

As you said I was exaggerating to make a point. As far as the managers input is more involved into the pitching than hitting your right but remember there is a 162 games so where he may have bad input on pitching in lets say 20 games which is not much compared to a season, it is enough. Let's say for hitting purposes he gives bad input to 5 to 10 games. That is not alot but it all adds up.

As far as Girardi's effect on the hitting, there was plenty of times when games were close that could of been blown open and instead of Girardi putting in a more likely hitter, he sticks in a Hairston, a Gardner, or someone with a lesser chance of making a difference in that moment.

Or when a hitter she go balls out and hit, he makes them bunt or vice versa.

You say well he is going according to the stat book, that is all fine and dandy but sometimes you have to play the odds, sometimes you have to play who is hot. sometimes you have to play on gut feeling.
Which is what makes you a great Manager.
Personally I think 2 managers who are good with instinct and gut feeling is Scoscia and Francona, yes Francona uses a Math Anlayst but he himself has said he goes against even the Analyst sometimes with his gut feeling.

Girardi doesn't seem to have that or the common sense for instinct.

This is just my opinion as everyone here is welcome to there own. I am just responding on a question asked to me.


(Prime example - Last nights game as I mentioned before with Gardner. If you want to put Gardner in and take Hideki out ok fine I can live with that. But having Gardner steal was dumb. We were down one run and your trying to get a runner over so your putting your fastest or most publicized fasted guy on base. (DING DONG ANYONE HOME???) The Angels know this and expect it is utmost certain Gardner is going to try to steal. So they pay very little attention to Posada to pitch too and pitch out to nail Gardner. Did they do just that? YEP. I saw it coming from a mile away. The smarter thing would of been to put Gardner in to keep the pitcher on his toes/distracted to Gardner might try to steal. But don't let Gardner steal. Posada hits Home Run game over Yankees win!!)

[bigtime59]

Re: Joe Girardi

Any fan of any MLB team not named the Yankee$ would love to be the recipient of the gift that keeps on giving: the sports' absurd revenue distribution rules.
Everybody out there who wouldn't have been happy if their team had been able to drop almost half a billion dollars on free agents this off season, raise your hand! Anybody...anybody?
That's what I thought.
Yankee$ fans really, really need to get some sense of humility about themselves. Do Globetrotters fans walk around with a giant boner because they beat the Washington Generals again? No, they do not.
Yankee$ fans, however...

[joelsabi]

Re: Joe Girardi

Any fan of any MLB team not named the Yankee$ would love to be the recipient of the gift that keeps on giving: the sports' absurd revenue distribution rules.
Everybody out there who wouldn't have been happy if their team had been able to drop almost half a billion dollars on free agents this off season, raise your hand! Anybody...anybody?
That's what I thought.
Yankee$ fans really, really need to get some sense of humility about themselves. Do Globetrotters fans walk around with a giant boner because they beat the Washington Generals again? No, they do not.
Yankee$ fans, however...

The Angels are no Washington Generals for the Yankees.

Remember the Lakers with the lineup with a starting lineup including Shaq, Kobe, Payton, The Mailman? Thats a team with a salary cap and they didnt win it all. so even if there was a salary cap there is no guarantee of a championship because they still need to play the game. Even if there was a salary cap, players will still want to play for the Yankees because of its storied past just like basketball players want to play for the Celtics or the Lakers.

[xpress34]

Re: Joe Girardi

XPRESS you have all valid points.

The only problem is you mention Girardi got us to the Post Season. Actually no he didn't, the players did. If anything as I mentioned before Girardi made it harder to get to the post season.

Suave -

I actually like trading barbs with you because they are usually well thought out debates, but your comment above illustrates my point.

If you claim that the PLAYERS got them to the Post Season, then the PLAYERS should be held accountable for both Wins and Losses in the Post Season as well.

You can't have it both ways and only blame one part of the equation for losses while lauding the other part for all of the wins.

Every manager makes good and bad decisions (Regular and Post Season) and every player has streaks and slumps (Regular and Post Season).

Bottom line, is you Win as TEAM or you Lose as a TEAM. Once you start the finger pointing, you might as well pack it in.

- Chris

[bigtime59]

Re: Joe Girardi

The Angels are no Washington Generals for the Yankees.

Remember the Lakers with the lineup with a starting lineup including Shaq, Kobe, Payton, The Mailman? Thats a team with a salary cap and they didnt win it all. so even if there was a salary cap there is no guarantee of a championship because they still need to play the game. Even if there was a salary cap, players will still want to play for the Yankees because of its storied past just like basketball players want to play for the Celtics or the Lakers.

I do not, repeat do not advocate for a salary cap. I do, however advocate--in the strongest terms possible--for vastly enhanced revenue sharing. I'm sick of the Yankee$ opening up their wallet every off season and buying the AL East. It sucks, it's boring and it's eventually going to kill baseball.
The playoffs being the crapshoot that they are helps blind most people to the fact that MLB's ridiculous method of (NOT) sharing most revenues equally skews everything about the sport. But the fact remains:MLB's ridiculous method of (NOT) sharing most revenues equally skews everything about the sport. And the Yankee$ are the number one beneficiary of that flawed system.

[jetersbatboy]

Re: Joe Girardi

Love Girardi or hate him...... I just happy the Yankees are winning GO YANKEES!!!!!!!

[joelsabi]

Re: Joe Girardi

I do not, repeat do not advocate for a salary cap. I do, however advocate--in the strongest terms possible--for vastly enhanced revenue sharing. I'm sick of the Yankee$ opening up their wallet every off season and buying the AL East. It sucks, it's boring and it's eventually going to kill baseball.
The playoffs being the crapshoot that they are helps blind most people to the fact that MLB's ridiculous method of (NOT) sharing most revenues equally skews everything about the sport. But the fact remains:MLB's ridiculous method of (NOT) sharing most revenues equally skews everything about the sport. And the Yankee$ are the number one beneficiary of that flawed system.

the current revenue sharing system gives revenue to big market teams to small market teams correct?

there have been small market teams that have used this money to sign good young players to long term contracts. tampa bay and colorado comes to mind.

others small market teams have done nothing but fatten the linings of the small market team owners. so whose fault is that?

i agree something needs to be changed. why should we reward kansas city with more revenue when they won't invest in players and their fan attendance and allegence is diminishing? some type of audit need to be done to follow the flow of cash in this current system.

[xpress34]

Re: Joe Girardi

there have been small market teams that have used this money to sign good young players to long term contracts. tampa bay and colorado comes to mind.

Joel -

My understanding of the Revenue Tax is that the money the teams get is 'supposed' to be ear marked for building the team (NOT Stadium improvements/Luxury Boxes, etc)...

I don't know who told you that the Rockies have used this money to sign talent... their payroll has been around $54m for like the last 5 years... even after the WS year, they did not invest ANY of that money into the team or increase the payroll... the Monforts have been quite clear that this is a BUSINESS to them and they have no intention of selling to an owner who would be more interested in winning a title than the bottom line.

Therefore, if the Rox can get back to the Playoffs again - and if they could make it and win the WS, it would be with one of the tightest payrolls in baseball and would surely be built on solid talent - not rented or mercenary (for hire) talent as they have said flat out for years, they will no longer sign ANY contract with a No-Trade clause of any type which discourages TONS of Free Agents from ever even considering the Rox...

- Chris

[joelsabi]

Re: Joe Girardi

Joel -
I don't know who told you that the Rockies have used this money to sign talent... their payroll has been around $54m for like the last 5 years... even after the WS year, they did not invest ANY of that money into the team or increase the payroll... the Monforts have been quite clear that this is a BUSINESS to them and they have no intention of selling to an owner who would be more interested in winning a title than the bottom line.

- Chris

hi chris,

i was refering to the development of their own players such as stewart, tulowitski, young, fowler, gonzalez, and jimenez. tulowitski made only a $1 million last year. Now thats a bargain. granted the rockies could not keep matt holiday and were shopping atkins all this year, but they seems to know how to build a team and have a plan.

[yanks12025]

Re: Joe Girardi

Joe just proved us again why he sucks as a manager win or lose this game.

[joelsabi]

Re: Joe Girardi

in the last game, why did Girardi pull ARod after being intentionally walked and then procees to not attempt a steal? might as well have kept him in.

[JimCaravello]

Re: Joe Girardi

Pulling Arod and bringing Guzman in had to be one of the worst managerial moves in a game I have ever seen - regular season or post season - period.

Everyone has been talking about some of the questionable moves he made with the pitching staff - but the Arod pull was just flat out stupid.

The way the games have been so close - what if we had tied that game that inning? You then have your best hitter and one of the best gloves ( on a corner ) on the bench. Arod is not John Kruk folks - he can get around the bases pretty well.....absolutely the worst move I have ever seen in a game. Not too much banter on talk radio about this - a little, but not much. If I was the owner, he would have been gone immediately after that move - no excuses...........Cashman could do a better job than this in the dugout.....