OT: Best All Around Infield Ever

[WadeInBmore]

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I still think that the 1997 Orioles infield was pretty awesome...

Rafael Palmeiro at first
Cal Ripken Jr at third
and the DP combo of Bordick (ss) and Alomar (2nd)

For me the Roberto Alomar years were some of the most memorable, most amazing years. He added an amazing explosive defensive force.

wade

[murfsteve25]

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according to mark (bigtime59) your dp combo cannot be on a championship team. too low budget.

Gotcha...i didnt read his post, only the title and then briefly a few other member's replies. In that case, I'll take Rafael Furcal. With his arm and speed he doesnt need the rest of the infield...jk of course. I really like the Arod, Jeter, Cano and Tex combo that was brought up. The Yankees really dont have an excuse to lose the Series this year. With all the all stars they have on their team and the money their paying, you'd think they would dominate the league every year.

[joelsabi]

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And if you believe they actually lose money--ever--I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Zimbabwe...cheap.

mauer should have the choice to be a yankee just as you had the choice to buy ocean property in zimbabwe.

[joelsabi]

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Blauser & Lemke were my fav

according to mark (bigtime59) your dp combo cannot be on a championship team. too low budget.

[bigtime59]

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bigtime, stick to what i argued first and prove what you originally claim. youre saying the current yankee infield is the best ever because they have the highest paid lineup ever. i presume that your arguement goes further than just the best infield and you can rank the best according to salary totals. thats just not true.


i see a correlation between salaries and being able to bring over or keep talent. the cleveland infield wasnt kept before as they got better the small market could not afford to keep thome and alomar. salary are at a flux based on among other the current market, home grown talent, years in the league, etc.

the yankees have had the largest salaries every year for the last ten years and how many championship have they had in that period? theres no way to positively predict that they win it all this year becuase you would have lost that bet the last 8 years.

Much as baseball fans love to compare players from different eras, it's farcically unfair to players of the past. Mark Belanger--one of the best shortstops of his time--couldn't sniff the major leagues in 2009. So, yes, given what the Yankee$ have paid for it, it had better be the best infield ever...because there isn't another team in baseball that could afford it!

And I get really, really tired of this "they haven't won a WS since 2000, so how are the Yankee$ buying titles?" crap. What the Yankee$ have bought--every year since 1995, save last year--was a ticket to the post season, either as the AL East or Wild Card winner. (What they tended to forget to buy was middle relief, but that's another story.) You think the Florida Marlins of 1997 or 2003 were the best team in baseball that year? Really? I bet you could take 2/3s of the teams in MLB and randomly drop them into the World Series and--if a couple of their pitchers got hot and a couple of their hitters went crazy for a week--they could win a World Series. The playoffs are that much of a crap shoot. The problem is that those teams can't get to the playoffs, much less the World Series.
So, until the wealth is shared equitably, the game is rigged, fixed and a sham. The Yankee$ are just the most blatant beneficiaries of that sham.
And if you believe they actually lose money--ever--I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Zimbabwe...cheap.

[murfsteve25]

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Blauser & Lemke were my fav

[joelsabi]

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I'm sure you also fail to see the correlation between the half a billion dollars the Yankee$ threw at free agents this past off season and the shiny trophy they'll be taking home in about ten days.
I'm sure you'll also think it's fair that if Joe Mauer becomes a free agent, he'll wind up with the Yankee$. Same for Pujols, same for Lackey...same for everybody.
It's boring and it's anti-competitive.

bigtime, stick to what i argued first and prove what you originally claim. youre saying the current yankee infield is the best ever because they have the highest paid lineup ever. i presume that your arguement goes further than just the best infield and you can rank the best according to salary totals. thats just not true.


i see a correlation between salaries and being able to bring over or keep talent. the cleveland infield wasnt kept before as they got better the small market could not afford to keep thome and alomar. salary are at a flux based on among other the current market, home grown talent, years in the league, etc.

the yankees have had the largest salaries every year for the last ten years and how many championship have they had in that period? theres no way to positively predict that they win it all this year becuase you would have lost that bet the last 8 years.

[bigtime59]

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Bigtime59,

I'm not following. Based on your criteria a small market like Baltimore (Brooks Robby/Belanger/D. Johnson or Grich/Powell) could not field the best infield.

Or

Based on an overall infield, a small market like Cleveland (Omar Vizque/Roberto Alomar/Travis Fryman/ Jim Thome) could not field a top 10 all-time infield since they make paid so little.


and Based on your criteria, last year's Boston infield (Youkalis/Pedroia/ Gonzalez/Lowell ) is the second greatest infield since they make so much.

I do not see any relation between salary and ranking great infielding units.


Regards,

Joel

I'm sure you also fail to see the correlation between the half a billion dollars the Yankee$ threw at free agents this past off season and the shiny trophy they'll be taking home in about ten days.
I'm sure you'll also think it's fair that if Joe Mauer becomes a free agent, he'll wind up with the Yankee$. Same for Pujols, same for Lackey...same for everybody.
It's boring and it's anti-competitive.

[CollectGU]

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[quote=joelsabi;167408]

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Cano has become a gold glove candidate and might be the best in the AL at turing DP's! He has had lapses in concentration, but the guy is an unbelieveable fielder! He will win multiple gold gloves before his career is over

[joelsabi]

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It had better be the best f-----g infield ever: at $81MM and change those four guys would be MLB's 15th highest payroll by themselves!

Think about that: the Yankee$ infield is paid more than the entire roster of half the teams in MLB!

Of course Cano makes mistakes! Hell, he's only costing the Yankee$ $6MM this season, just about a third of his next least expensive infield mate.

Bigtime59,

I'm not following. Based on your criteria a small market like Baltimore (Brooks Robby/Belanger/D. Johnson or Grich/Powell) could not field the best infield.

Or

Based on an overall infield, a small market like Cleveland (Omar Vizque/Roberto Alomar/Travis Fryman/ Jim Thome) could not field a top 10 all-time infield since they make paid so little.


and Based on your criteria, last year's Boston infield (Youkalis/Pedroia/ Gonzalez/Lowell ) is the second greatest infield since they make so much.

I do not see any relation between salary and ranking great infielding units.


Regards,

Joel

[bigtime59]

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Joelsabi I must say I am a bit surprised you would put Cano into that company of best ever. After all the big mistakes he was made.
As for the other 3 No Argument here.

It had better be the best f-----g infield ever: at $81MM and change those four guys would be MLB's 15th highest payroll by themselves!

Think about that: the Yankee$ infield is paid more than the entire roster of half the teams in MLB!

Of course Cano makes mistakes! Hell, he's only costing the Yankee$ $6MM this season, just about a third of his next least expensive infield mate.

[joelsabi]

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Joelabi it takes more that one or 2 good plays in one game for me to turn around and say they are solid defensively. It takes a season of consistancy of solid defense.

1) Do you remember the game I believe it was last year where Girardi benched Cano for a game or 2 when he watched a ball roll right by him?
2) Do you remember the game when Torre benched him when a ball came at him to where (he should of been standing) and he was no where to be found. Even the announcers were playing the video over and over trying to figure out where Cano went because you couldn't find him in the screeen shot.
3) Or how about the other night when Cano dissapeared into the outfield and Tex had to cover second?

agreed. like i said, the two good plays were lucky happenstance.

cano does seem to disappear at time. sometimes, we cannot even find him nowhere near where he should be when the cameraman zooms out.

[suave1477]

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[quote=joelsabi;167369]

Joelsabi I must say I am a bit surprised you would put Cano into that company of best ever. After all the big mistakes he was made.
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did you change your opinion on cano's defense ability after last night? probably not. i think he was a man of happenstance on the two plays that were highlighted.

1) the bobbled ball off Jeter that cano barehanded for a out at second and almost threw to tex for a dp. good heads up play tho.
2) cano catching a possible drive up the middle in the eighth. He was shading left for a possible pick off of figgins at second.

anyways, rather be lucky than good some times.

Joelabi it takes more that one or 2 good plays in one game for me to turn around and say they are solid defensively. It takes a season of consistancy of solid defense.

1) Do you remember the game I believe it was last year where Girardi benched Cano for a game or 2 when he watched a ball roll right by him?
2) Do you remember the game when Torre benched him when a ball came at him to where (he should of been standing) and he was no where to be found. Even the announcers were playing the video over and over trying to figure out where Cano went because you couldn't find him in the screeen shot.
3) Or how about the other night when Cano dissapeared into the outfield and Tex had to cover second?

[joelsabi]

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[QUOTE=suave1477;166871]Joelsabi I must say I am a bit surprised you would put Cano into that company of best ever. After all the big mistakes he was made.
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did you change your opinion on cano's defense ability after last night? probably not. i think he was a man of happenstance on the two plays that were highlighted.

1) the bobbled ball off Jeter that cano barehanded for a out at second and almost threw to tex for a dp. good heads up play tho.
2) cano catching a possible drive up the middle in the eighth. He was shading left for a possible pick off of figgins at second.

anyways, rather be lucky than good some times.

[thomecollector]

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BigTruck:

I didn't care for Hernandez because he was a JERK...period. There are numerous stories out there of him dissing fans and even promoters over autographs, but the one I personally witnessed was c.1983-84. A female autograph collector (although to be fair, she looks more like SNL's Pat than a woman) approached him for an autograph outside Wrigley Field, and he pushed her in the shoulder in a "get away from me" manner. I don't care what your gender is or how attractive/unattractive you are...this was more than Hernandez needed to do or should have done.

Dave M.
Chicago area

Dave,
Could you email me. I have a jersey that I want to get your thoughts on. Thanks,Roger