JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Here goes a Meigray listing of a Joe Montana jersey that utilizes a pic well to show you the photomatch and they did it within an 8 picture limit that GUU is working with due to their software limitations.

http://www.meigray.com/edealinv/serv...4453&scId=4453

nicely done. 8 pics is more than enough. they even managed to show the 49ers letter AND the montana autograph. front, back, and tagging was shown. and of course, the photomatch. to be honest, i think this will become more of an issue in the near future as photomatching becomes more of an expectation than a bonus. i know some collectors have said they would not buy a jersey unless it were photomatched. you look at what collectors are doing these days with screenshots from mlb.tv and taking their high-res photos at ballgames and i think photomatching is only going to increase and become more of a requirement for many. how auction houses deal with this is important. saying a piece is photomatched and not showing a pic, giving any details as to the specific match, or mentioning the exact photo and location isn't going to cut it.

obviously, there are other sources than getty and it may be entirely legal to post those. if an auction house, for example, finds a stunning photomatch from mlb.tv, could they take a screenshot and post it? what if they found one in an old program or yearbook? should be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

rudy.

[Dewey2007]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Here goes a Meigray listing of a Joe Montana jersey that utilizes a pic well to show you the photomatch and they did it within an 8 picture limit that GUU is working with due to their software limitations.

http://www.meigray.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/StoreItem.vm&ctl_nbr=2381&siId=2142223&catLevel=1&scLevel=1&thisCatLevel=&oldParentID=4210&catParentID=4453&scId=4453

[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

All you would have to do in the auction listing is say the item is photomatched by getty photo #11110002222.

Quite simple really....

nate, agreed. good idea. question though..do you think that'd be enough? that is, some photomatches are a little "subtle"/tricky. its not always apparent what exactly is being referred to or matched. lets say you've got a photo of lebron driving to the basket. the match may be 2 thread hanging off the letter "C" on his jersey. many might not immediately realize what exactly was being matched upon seeing the photo. in lieu of being able to post a photo, i think what might be ideal is to reference the exact image and source but also include a short description of the match itself. eg: "2, quarter-sized blood stains to the left of the nameplate".

sort of like in this meigray description: http://www.meigray.com/edealinv/serv...063&scId=11063

rudy.

[Lokee]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

No they aren't,

Stupid people with too much free time on their hands are destroying the board

AMEN

[chakes89]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

The constant back-handed political comments are destroying this forum

No they aren't,

Stupid people with too much free time on their hands are destroying the board

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

I can't ever remember reading any post here where it elicited a song in my head like this one.....

For the past half an hour, AC/DC's "Big BALLS" just keeps ringing through my brain.....

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Hi eveybody,

I double-checked with my lead authenticator, Stu Oxenhorn, who spearheads our photo-matching and authentication services and works closely with Getty Images.

He told me why we don't post the photo-matches: We are prohibited from doing so. Our contract with Getty permits us to offer a Getty Image as a photographic LOA only as part of an authentication process. In fact, if we were asked to make a copy of the photo without the LOA-type information, just as a glossy 8 X 10, we could not. And we could not send the digital photo in downloaded form to anybody, we can only use it for our research/authentication purposes.

We do appreciate the suggestion of improving our descriptions for photo-matched (and in some cases, non photo-matched) jerseys. We'll work on that. Thanks for the feedback.

And a suggestion: Let's please keep the debate constructive, not vitriolic. Constructive criticism, no matter to whom it is pointed, is better for the hobby.

Barry

What? And take away our FUN????

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Obama just said he blames Bush.

Dave M.
Chicago area

The constant back-handed political comments are destroying this forum. For the love of Ronald Reagan, can we please keep this whole fuckin' forum on topic? GAME USED SPORTS MEMORABILIA...PLEASE?

[sox83cubs84]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

War and Peace was shorter than this thread.

I don't like to point fingers, but at this point I believe this is all Obama's fault and I'm willling to move on.

Obama just said he blames Bush.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[schubert1970]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

War and Peace was shorter than this thread.

I don't like to point fingers, but at this point I believe this is all Obama's fault and I'm willling to move on.

[camarokids]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

All you would have to do in the auction listing is say the item is photomatched by getty photo #11110002222.


Quite simple really....

Nate,
I was thinking the same thing...

[ndevlin]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

All you would have to do in the auction listing is say the item is photomatched by getty photo #11110002222.


Quite simple really....

[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Gentlemen,

Thanks for raising great points about listing jerseys as photo-matched, and for the obvious good suggestion...

wow. imagine if interacting with robert and jarrod was this easy. this whole thing would've amounted to 2 posts.

all i said in the beginning was that photomatches should be included on lots billed as "photomatched". i can't believe such a simple, common sense idea has caused robert to continue to thrash around so much. robert, i'm pretty much done at this point. honestly, i really don't care enough about GUU to pursue the insanity that this thread has devolved into. i now know in the future not to direct any suggestions towards you/JOSports/GUU lest it compel you to win another debating award. to end it all off:

"deciding not to post photomatches was a decision made based on the limitations of the new auction software (only allows 8 photos per lot)"

the romo disproves this and i imagine thats why you keep ignoring it.

" .. and the consignor's input...it was my understanding that the consignor wanted to use the limited number of image spaces to showcase the details of his lots (closeups, game wear, etc.) and that he felt simply stating the items were photomatched would suffice.."

so with the romo, did the conversation sort of go like this:

robert - we've got two empty slots on the romo. we can show your photomatch. collectors love photomatches. it would be good.

jarrod - no forget it. don't show them.

robert - but the slots are empty. they're going to waste.

jarrod - good. leave them empty.

robert - great idea!

common knowledge in this hobby says that photomatches trump everything. if you have a consigner, like jarrod, who doesn't understand this basic and universal concept, then you need to talk some sense into him and yourself. again, there is no collector who would rather see a close-up of a fleur-de-lis or a patch than a solid photomatch. if you and jarrod believe they would, then you're both woefully ill-informed.

"..the obvious quality of the items"

what does this even mean? an item of "obvious quality" would surely have a solid, easy-to-find photomatch? like the ringo shirt?

"..you would have to be utterly insane to make such a claim regarding such high-profile jerseys with someone like rudy around"

so GUU auction policy depends on me being around? what do you guys do..plan your auctions around my vacations?

"rudy continues to gush over meigray because he'll get to go home with a glossy AFTER the auction"

as opposed to winning a "photomatched" item from GUU, where i'll get no glossy before or after?

rudy.

[5kRunner]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

Rudy,
Thanks for the clarification. I was confused at first. Makes sense now.

Thanks again.

[kingjammy24]

Re: JoSports did you misspeak???? How many Sanchez jerseys are there???

re: fair use/getty images/posting matches

i just called barry to discuss exactly what he meant, as i too was a little confused. here's the story as explained to me by barry:

when meigray discusses photos/matches, they're not referring to the watermarked images used by robert and seen on the getty site. they're referring to un-watermarked, purchased images at full resolutions. if meigray photomatches an item to one of their purchased images, they can send this image privately but they can't post it publically. this is an apples-and-oranges comparison with GUU as GUU is not using purchased, un-watermarked, full-res images. if you'll look at the images robert has posted, they all have watermarks on them. GUU did not purchase any of them. getty doesn't care in the least if you use their watermarked images. they're already online for everyone to see so posting them here would be no problem.

the photos that meigray uses and the photos that robert used are entirely different in terms of their legal restrictions. i asked barry if he could publically post the same sort of watermarked, unpurchased images as robert has used and he said he could but typically those images aren't great for photomatching as they simply don't show the necessary detail.
when you have a full-repository of full-res images to use for photomatching, using small, watermarked images makes little sense.
when meigray photomatches, they're able to take their purchased images and zoom in with great clarity at great resolution. they can send you, for example, an 8x10 of a single thread hanging off a single letter.

so it's apples and oranges. barry wasn't referring to the types of photos that robert used. robert can indeed publically post the watermarked images he's used. meigray on the other hand uses un-watermarked images and its those that meigray is unable to post publically.

however, barry said he understood completely that when an individual is considering paying a substantial premium for a photomatched item, common sense dictates that he ought to be able to see the match to ascertain how solid it is.

rudy.