O/T: H&B liable for player's death

[frikativ54]

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So........"positive change" to you would mean if someone hits a Big Bertha 4-iron on their second shot of a 425 yard par four hole on a golf course, and a guy on another hole who is running accross the fairway to pick up an errant drive from his hole, takes a doinker to the temple which kills him.......Callaway Corporation should be sued and held liable?

There's no comparison. It is a known fact that a pitcher needs more reaction time than what he was given in this situation. If that's the case, bat companies should make bats where the maximum ball velocity coming off the bat, given the distance from the batter to the pitcher, would make it so the pitcher would have enough time to react. Then, taking those precautions, the company should not be liable. However, no precautions have been taken, given what is a dangerous product. Just because H & B was found to be responsible, that doesn't mean that the league also shouldn't take some responsibility.

Excuse my harshness......but are you mental? WHAT IS WRONG with your REASONING ability, frik??? Your "different point of view" is different all right.......it's "different" from anything and everything that resembles logic, intelligence, and common sense. You need to develop some cognitive skills, because somewhere along the line a wire came undone from the back side of your neck. You're missing the part of "knowledge" that would "connect" with what a reasonable person would conclude when presented with a circumstance that needed logical thought.

.......like 9 of the jurors who sat on the jury of the case this thread is about.

We're going to hell, people. We have em among us!

Now I'm mental?!?! Seriously? I just can't believe that I am being called crazy for what is just a difference of opinion. My opinions do not cohere with yours. Last time I checked, that's not a sufficient condition to be committed to an insane asylum. The world wouldn't be what it is without legitimate differences in perspective.

Someone who is mental would say that the ball was taken over by space aliens off the bat, and that's why the kid died. And the kid was at fault, because Jesus was whispering in his ear that some squirrel was gonna get pregnant and nurse her babies outside of my apartment. Therefore, the kid was distracted and couldn't field the ball and died.

You should hear people talk who are actually crazy. That is the kind of stuff they say - just read someone last night on a local TV station's blog talking about voice to skull weapons. But I am presenting a perfectly logical argument, which is informed by my concerns about businesses not taking enough responsibility for their products' safety.

[frikativ54]

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SERIOUSLY???

Let's take this statement to heart... we should make it open season to sue:

ANY manufacturer of KITCHEN knives (they are used to kill people daily)

ANY manufacturer of tire irons and the like as they are used to kill people

ANY manufacturer of candle sticks or fireplace irons - again, used to kill people

ANY manufacturer of ANY type of rope - used to kill people

ANY manufacturer of ANY type of plastic bag - used to kill people

These are totally unrelated scenarios. All of these household objects have other uses besides murdering people. If someone beat his wife over the head with a baseball bat, then I would not hold the company responsible. However, baseball bats' primary purpose is to hit balls with. This comes with considerable danger. When the primary purpose of your product puts people in harm's way, which baseball bats do, then you have a problem. Therefore, H & B needs to be held liable and needs to create a safer product.

[brianborsch]

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Gang,

Frik is what she is. Her views don't make sense. This is my last post on the matter as I feel that 99.9% of this entire board agrees that LVS is not liable.
Let it go to appeals and lets see what happens. This world is going to hell in a hand basket and this case is a direct example.

Those parents should take some responsibility. And the courts better make sure they don't get their grubby hands on the money for their own enjoyment. They should be forced to put towards education on the dangers of baseball bats! Ha!

MORONS!

[STLHAMMER32]

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These are totally unrelated scenarios. All of these household objects have other uses besides murdering people. If someone beat his wife over the head with a baseball bat, then I would not hold the company responsible. However, baseball bats' primary purpose is to hit balls with. This comes with considerable danger. When the primary purpose of your product puts people in harm's way, which baseball bats do, then you have a problem. Therefore, H & B needs to be held liable and needs to create a safer product.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but wouldn't this statement apply to using just about any object...it would be the balls fault as much as the bat..the ball is too hard etc..I missed the nail hit myself with a hammer....hammer is too hard..wait I'm goin to sue the manufacturer of the nail becaue it wasn't big enough....

You hear about burglars suing sunlight companies when the fall through the roof or suing the owner for improper stairway installation...this is right up there..pure insanity!!!

[cohibasmoker]

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These are totally unrelated scenarios. All of these household objects have other uses besides murdering people. If someone beat his wife over the head with a baseball bat, then I would not hold the company responsible. However, baseball bats' primary purpose is to hit balls with. This comes with considerable danger. When the primary purpose of your product puts people in harm's way, which baseball bats do, then you have a problem. Therefore, H & B needs to be held liable and needs to create a safer product.

Hey Frik, how about snow skis? Their primary purpose is to ski down a mountain on slippery snow and ice. I wonder how many people are injured and/or killed each year due to skiing accidents?

Gee, I bet Riddell executives aren't sleeping too soundly after the H&B verdict.

Jim

[GarkoCollector]

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I think I am going to sue Hostess because all of the twinkies over the years I've eaten have made me fat. The fatness has most assuredly slowed me down. One day when I get hit by a car and I'm killed, my wife can argue that if I hadnt been fat, I could have gotten out of the way. Then she can sue the car maker for making their cars too fast, the metal company for making the metals too hard, the city for making the roads too smooth and anyone else that has no defense for making products to a high standard as they are supposed to.

[suicide_squeeze]

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BMH,

On a serious note, and hopefully a positive one, I would recommend you copy and print this entire thread for your attorneys. I think if it were handed to the judge in the appellate court, and was reviewed by all the competent parties involved, your verdict would be overturned, and the case thrown out.


This whole case is absolute proof that there are serious deficiencies in the jury system. I'm sure Brian is just sick over the fact that he has been victimized by a group of morons who have the cognitive reasoning abilities of a "frik".

There is a lot more than a "difference of opinion" involved here. It isn't even a case of seeing the trees through the forrest. It's a case of not having the developmental skills to reason out what is right or wrong. It's a case of a bunch of weak people making a wrong judgement which was based on pure emotion, a group who let reality and the magnitude of this tragedy twist their thinking from that of a normal reasonable person who is in control of their faculties.

Frik, your rediculous assessment of the "facts" of this situation are troubling on so many levels. HOW in the WORLD can a bat manufacturer develope a bat that would take into account all of the "intabgibles" of every single possible outcome of a pitch???

The pitchers strength...

The batters strength....

The fact that the pitcher was medicated on that day...

The fact that the pitcher was "tired" after partying the night before into the wee hours with his girlfriend...

The fact the batter was "sitting on that very pitch, and he got it!"...

Like Chris, earlier, I could go on and on. Your pathetically un-thought-out conclusion that H & B should have ANY responsibility is, as some has mentioned here, including myself, unsurb beyond all reasoning. I'm sorry, but I do think you're a whack job. And unfortunately, your kind ended up on that jury.

Brian,if what that poster on USA today said is true, and the floor person tried to persuade with pressure other jurors to come to see his view, you may have a mistrial. Other jurors statements could reveal that. I would do anything and everything to fight the verdict here. It is flat out wrong, and we all, save one, feel your pain. Good luck, please let us know how it goes. I homestly can't believe that you will receive anything other than complete justice in an appellate court which would be the overturning of this rediculous and emotionally irresponsible verdict.

Regards,

Steve

[suicide_squeeze]

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Wow, in my haste to not "time out" my typos are getting bad

last post......"unsurb" = ubsurd

"intabgibles" = intangibles

[MiLe HigH]

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But you obviously have some serious issues other than a thyroid problem. You have "reasoning" problems.

LOL...+1

[sox83cubs84]

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Hey, not so fast...as long as it's open season to sue anyone for any reason, with my kidney problems, heart pacemaker, tourette syndrome meds, sunken sternum, and badly swollen right arm, I'll think I'll sue God because He didn't make me a superjock.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[nomo121]

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I think I am going to sue Hostess because all of the twinkies over the years I've eaten have made me fat. The fatness has most assuredly slowed me down. One day when I get hit by a car and I'm killed, my wife can argue that if I hadnt been fat, I could have gotten out of the way. Then she can sue the car maker for making their cars too fast, the metal company for making the metals too hard, the city for making the roads too smooth and anyone else that has no defense for making products to a high standard as they are supposed to.

Tom,
If this works, let me know. I want to start a class action suit. I have a ton of evidence...

[sox83cubs84]

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But you obviously have some serious issues other than a thyroid problem. You have "reasoning" problems.

LOL...+1

Make it +2.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[Fnazxc0114]

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if thats the case i think a lot of us need to jump in on your lawsuit.

Hey, not so fast...as long as it's open season to sue anyone for any reason, with my kidney problems, heart pacemaker, tourette syndrome meds, sunken sternum, and badly swollen right arm, I'll think I'll sue God because He didn't make me a superjock.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[Capital-Sports]

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But you obviously have some serious issues other than a thyroid problem. You have "reasoning" problems.

LOL...+3

geez after reading some of this thread, I need a beer

[suicide_squeeze]

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Wow, in my haste to not "time out" my typos are getting bad

last post......"unsurb" = ubsurd

"intabgibles" = intangibles

Let's try this one last time.....

unsurb = absurd ..........like my spelling!