Big Mac taking swings?!?!

[skyking26]

Re: Big Mac taking swings?!?!

Are we looking for him to just say something or do we want the whole truth.....I think this is a good speech you have laid out for him to say...much better than is attorney advised him in front of congress. However I'm not sure this is coming clean..As a McGwire fan this would be great if it was really coming clean...but only few people really know what McGwire's "coming clean" really is.

I agree with your Cal Ripken statement to an extant...McGwire helped saved the game in the fact that the younger generations became interested in the sport during the 98 hr race.... and then sports collecting as well as it jump started many collectors.

I think the public is waiting for the full truth... I doubt they will accept anything less; and they deserve that.

Mac comes clean, he'll be in the Hall.

[allstarsplus]

Re: Big Mac taking swings?!?!

I think the public is waiting for the full truth... I doubt they will accept anything less; and they deserve that.

Mac comes clean, he'll be in the Hall.

What is your definition of the FULL TRUTH?

Outside of Canseco, has anyone really come totally clean? Did ARod give us all the details? I don't think so but I am okay with that. I don't need all the details.

[rj_lucas]

Re: Big Mac taking swings?!?!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we're going to exclude players like McGwire, Bonds, Clemens et al from the Hall of Fame because they had an 'unfair advantage', let's go ahead and pull down the plaques of every player whose career began before 1947, since those players had an 'unfair advantage' in that they did not play against many of the greatest baseball players of their generation, who were excluded from MLB because of the color of their skin.

Rick
rickjlucas@gmail.com

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Big Mac taking swings?!?!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we're going to exclude players like McGwire, Bonds, Clemens et al from the Hall of Fame because they had an 'unfair advantage', let's go ahead and pull down the plaques of every player whose career began before 1947, since those players had an 'unfair advantage' in that they did not play against many of the greatest baseball players of their generation, who were excluded from MLB because of the color of their skin.

This is true..theres just no way we can keep all these guys out....McGwire and others did it...there was no testing so therefore no absolute proof... just people's words and in a few cases some FBI filing somewhere where a name pops up. We can speculate all we want but who knows who all took what...Anyone that deserves to be there needs to go in. Obviously it will be a "marked" generation and people will know during this era steroids were a problem...I don't see how else to do it. Guys like Gwynn and Ripken almost positively did not do it but what if just once they tried something pill or cream whatever....does that make them guilty and unable to make the Hall? McGwire was never caught just guilty because of the huge foremarms and power...if Cal or Gwynn would have got on a crazy workout plan and put on tons of muscle there would be speculation for them too I suppose.

My point earlier was not any guy off the street can just take steroids and become a Bonds or McGwire...These guys had talent out of this world so to say steroids were the reason they were so good is just ignorant.

[skyking26]

Re: Big Mac taking swings?!?!

What is your definition of the FULL TRUTH?

Outside of Canseco, has anyone really come totally clean? Did ARod give us all the details? I don't think so but I am okay with that. I don't need all the details.

Did not realize we were disecting words here...

All I'm saying is Mac should hold a press conference when he returns, say he did them or did not, and acknowledgement, and that he'd like to move on now.

His hiding and terrible Congressional meeting mess was a PR disaster. He could probably care less what public opinion is; but when you are in the public eye = too bad. Live with it because that is just the way it is.

And, to Aaron, YES, I'm still a fan of McGwire and the excitement he brought with it before you come out and ride me about my thoughts. I'm just not a fan about how he has handled the situation.

Nuff said.

RK