Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

.......I can almost seeing emailing them.Or sending them a "pm" ........

+1

I am in favor of e-mailing them, or at least contact them about their item in a polite and professional manner.

Then it can be decided by the parties involved if they feel it should be brought public in order to 'educate' the forum.

We all know that at times this place is like throwing raw steak to the Lions....

[allstarsplus]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

When Eric first started the Forum and members were posting up new acquisitions it happened from time to time as we sure weren't as educated back then on photo evidence.

I faced the same dilemna about 5 years ago when I noticed a prominent member had a fake jersey. It showed me that anyone can be fooled.

I let him know and gave him concrete proof and he was able to go back to the auction house and get a full refund. He was very appreciative.

[GarkoCollector]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I think the opinions of members have been muddled based on the way the question was asked....maybe I'm weird and just read it differently.

I read it as "IF YOU HAVE POSTED AN ITEM AND A MEMBER CAN DEFINITIVELY PROVE TO YOU THAT YOUR ITEM IS FAKE, SHOULD YOU TELL THEM?"

This does not say SHOULD YOU POST PUBLICLY ON THE BOARDS AND POTENTIALLY EMBARRASS THEM? If you see something is fake and is a NEW item the person has bought, by all means I think you should contact them PRIVATELY and let them know of your concern and findings. This should be done when you are 100% positive and not on a hunch. Personally, I take every effort of members here as an effort trying to be of assistance and not of trying to embarrass over an item that isnt as expected or as was protrayed prior to purchase.

I understand that some people feel you should let sleeping dogs lie, but I will state as MY PERSONAL OPINION that anyone that can help a member and prove they might have been swindled, is their DUTY as a fellow forum and community member to let them know.

Maybe just start by telling the member, "I have some information on one of your pieces and wanted to know if you were interested." At least make the offer, but dont give it away.

[LastingsMilledge85]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I don't really see much harm in publically stating it, plus wouldn't it be useful in case if the forum member tried to sell it to another forum member or elsewhere after knowing it was fake?

[gingi79]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I think the real issue is that people feel attacked for posting something when it's authenticity is brought into question. It sometimes seems like some posters act like my students running to me and tattletailing:

"Mr. N, Bobby is a big fat stupid liar with fake toys" and then turning around to Bobby and saying "Nanny Nanny Foo Foo"

I'll write this publicly. If I ever post something and you have questions about it's authenticity, please post them. I find starting a sentance with, "Hey Matt, I don't think your shirt looks right buddy. Let me tell you why" leads me to believe you are more interested in enhancing my collection and keeping me away from those who would sell me bogus stuff than saying "Your crap is bogus garbage, dumbass!"

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I think that it is important to privately bring it up to the other person and state your reasons behind it. Just because we post on a forum does not make us experts necessairly and anyone can be duped and by letting the person know they have the chance to question the item further if they so choose by maybe posting and asking for the opinion of the forum and/or sending it to Mears or another trusted game used authenticator to look at and then if they feel that they are not comfortable with the item's authenticity possibly returning it and getting their money back. The closer it is to when you bought an item the easier it is to get your money back usually so it could be a tremendous benefit. Yes someone might take it the wrong way but who cares it is the Internet the vast majority of us are very, very unlikely to ever come into contact with each other in the real world and if you get a nasty email back just ignore it. The way I look at it is I would want to know if it were me with an item that was questionable so I would defintely inform someone else if I thought they had a questionable item.

[Game Used Bats]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

It's a forum. Don't post the item if you don't want feedback of a certain nature. The forum is meant to educate not to coddle certain individuals.

Anthony

[tbone90]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I love the game of baseball and I love collecting. Because of that sometimes my excitement gets the best of me and I may not do as much homework as I should on a purchase (I am getting better). I'm an enthusiast though, not an expert. That's why I joined GUU; to share, learn and grow with and from others in the hobby.

If someone has proof positive that one of my items is fake PLEASE let me know so I could try and correct the situation with a refund. Of course there is a right and wrong way to approach such a subject too. If it's done respectfully I have no issue with it being brough up. This is a public forum after all.

[CampWest]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I think any seriously questionable item... whether posted in Monthly Pick-ups, Auction Items, Classifieds, or anywhere for that matter... Should be questioned and researched fully and PUBLICLY. Shouldn't one of our collective goals be to minimize fraudulent items? I'm not saying we should police the hobby, but when we see something we know is wrong, lets try to prevent current and future issues with buying and selling fake items.

I would support public identification and discussion if an item is grossly misrepresented.

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

+1

I am in favor of e-mailing them, or at least contact them about their item in a polite and professional manner.

Then it can be decided by the parties involved if they feel it should be brought public in order to 'educate' the forum.

We all know that at times this place is like throwing raw steak to the Lions....

Certainly not the Detroit Lions...even our Bears beat them twice.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

+1

I am in favor of e-mailing them, or at least contact them about their item in a polite and professional manner.

Then it can be decided by the parties involved if they feel it should be brought public in order to 'educate' the forum.

We all know that at times this place is like throwing raw steak to the Lions....

Seriously, Triple-X, I think your approach is a solid one. People should be made aware if they've been duped, but to turn in into a pissing match on this forum does more harm than good.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

Seriously, Triple-X, I think your approach is a solid one. People should be made aware if they've been duped, but to turn in into a pissing match on this forum does more harm than good.

Dave M.
Chicago area

Thanks yo. Its just common courtesy. I know I would be contacted first.

[karamaxjoe]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

It's all about how you talk to people.

If you come off as helpful with excellent facts and you're not insulting someone along with the piece of memorabilia, no one should be upset if you post your findings.

If you can't handle that approach, you shouldn't be on a public forum.

[metsbats]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I posted one of my Ed Hearn Royals road jerseys on a thread a couple of years ago and KingJammy (Rudy) informed me that the NOB lettering was the incorrect font and the Number on back "7" was missing the footing.

I really appreciated to know that as I didn't realize that my jersey was not what I thought it was. I personally would not mind anything which may be bad in my possession to pointed out in public. It not only educates me but all the rest of the us at the same time.

Given the purpose this forum exists I would be disappointed if something like that was not caught and even more disappointed if it was known and was never pointed out to me.

[NYCrulesU]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

It's a forum. Don't post the item if you don't want feedback of a certain nature. The forum is meant to educate not to coddle certain individuals.

Anthony

My point exactly, summed up nice and tidy. Thank you.