Almost another perfect game

[joelsabi]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the Tigers submit the tape to, I believe the Commissioner's office, to have the play reviewed and possibly overturned? The Brewers tried that a few years back when C.C. one hit the Bucs and had no such luck when it was clearly a hit, but in this case I would imagine that they would overrule the umpire's call.

You have a lot of faith in Selig's judgement.

"According to baseball’s rulebook, only the official scorer may change a judgment scoring call" so I guess its possible.

[LastingsMilledge85]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the Tigers submit the tape to, I believe the Commissioner's office, to have the play reviewed and possibly overturned? The Brewers tried that a few years back when C.C. one hit the Bucs and had no such luck when it was clearly a hit, but in this case I would imagine that they would overrule the umpire's call.

[yankees506]

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wow i just made it home and that is crazy. Arguing Balls and stikes would make the games last wayyyyy too long. But i mean come on, this is a perfect game he blew. What would happen if this was the bottom of the 9th in game 7 of the ws and the bases are loaded with two out tied at one and a call is made like this would we not say we need instant replay for crucial plays? i know this scenario seems unlikely but before tonight would any of us have even considered a blown call in the bottom of the 9th with 2 out would cost a kid his pg?

[joelsabi]

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The strike zone is an area that should just be left alone. Balls and strikes can't be argued during the game and it should not be something reviewable just as some plays are not reviewable in football.

Just saying that it opens a can of worm that I would rather just be left alone. Baseball has gone without instant reply for all these years and has survived. I like the human element of the game. Umps make mistakes. They are human. They do need to be accountable when they blow a play. I hope the ump admits his mistake when he gets interviewed. Just admit to the fans you blew it.

It is interesting how technology has changed the game. I bet it technologically possible to make a device that can call strikes and balls. The electonic eye in tennis comes to minds. It's very possible. But I would hate it.

The funny thing is now Houston fans will be attending more games to get the chance to witness a perfect game.

[STLHAMMER32]

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why not the strikezone? if you mess with the play at first, questioning a third strike is the next progression. its just bad for baseball imho.

The strike zone is an area that should just be left alone. Balls and strikes can't be argued during the game and it should not be something reviewable just as some plays are not reviewable in football.

[scottanservitz]

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Another Tribe fan here and my whole family went nuts!!! That guy had a perfect game stolen from him. That is just a shame!!!

[joelsabi]

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IMO MLB needs to do the right thing and reverse the call and declare it a perfect game. I would feel differently if it was not the last play but no way should the umpire be able to cost someone a perfect game with a call that was not borderline but terrible and undisputably wrong. As far as the argument that too many perfect games are bad for baseball, baseball is such a great game because anything can happen at any moment. Don Larsen can be perfect in a World Series game, VanDerMeer can throw no hitters in back to back starts, Mike Cameron can hit four home runs in a game, Jason Tyner can hit for the cycle, the Marlins can win the World Series twice in a few years and on and on. A perfect game is a perfect game and just because there were others lately does not make it any easier, imo it is one of the hardest single game feats to achieve in sports. To say that someone should rob someone of that just cheapens the game it is like saying well alot of people hit 50 home runs in the last 15 years so if someone has 49 the last day of the year the umpire should call a ball that is close to being foul but clearly fair foul to prevent him from getting 50 to preserve the sacredness of it. Such just sounds crazy. And why should those who have done it before get to have theirs without anyone ruining it while this player has to be prevented from getting there?

it would be cool if it was overturned. would love to have the second Perfect Game from a pitcher who happen to be Hispanic. Baltimore's Denis Martinez being the first.

[eisenreich8]

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IMO MLB needs to do the right thing and reverse the call and declare it a perfect game. I would feel differently if it was not the last play but no way should the umpire be able to cost someone a perfect game with a call that was not borderline but terrible and undisputably wrong. As far as the argument that too many perfect games are bad for baseball, baseball is such a great game because anything can happen at any moment. Don Larsen can be perfect in a World Series game, VanDerMeer can throw no hitters in back to back starts, Mike Cameron can hit four home runs in a game, Jason Tyner can hit for the cycle, the Marlins can win the World Series twice in a few years and on and on. A perfect game is a perfect game and just because there were others lately does not make it any easier, imo it is one of the hardest single game feats to achieve in sports. To say that someone should rob someone of that just cheapens the game it is like saying well alot of people hit 50 home runs in the last 15 years so if someone has 49 the last day of the year the umpire should call a ball that is close to being foul but clearly fair foul to prevent him from getting 50 to preserve the sacredness of it. Such just sounds crazy. And why should those who have done it before get to have theirs without anyone ruining it while this player has to be prevented from getting there?

A great post. I would love to see this call overturned. It would do the game no harm and preserve the sanctity of perfect game #21.

[camarokids]

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IMO MLB needs to do the right thing and reverse the call and declare it a perfect game. I would feel differently if it was not the last play but no way should the umpire be able to cost someone a perfect game with a call that was not borderline but terrible and undisputably wrong. As far as the argument that too many perfect games are bad for baseball, baseball is such a great game because anything can happen at any moment. Don Larsen can be perfect in a World Series game, VanDerMeer can throw no hitters in back to back starts, Mike Cameron can hit four home runs in a game, Jason Tyner can hit for the cycle, the Marlins can win the World Series twice in a few years and on and on. A perfect game is a perfect game and just because there were others lately does not make it any easier, imo it is one of the hardest single game feats to achieve in sports. To say that someone should rob someone of that just cheapens the game it is like saying well alot of people hit 50 home runs in the last 15 years so if someone has 49 the last day of the year the umpire should call a ball that is close to being foul but clearly fair foul to prevent him from getting 50 to preserve the sacredness of it. Such just sounds crazy. And why should those who have done it before get to have theirs without anyone ruining it while this player has to be prevented from getting there?

Very well said!!!

[legaleagle92481]

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IMO MLB needs to do the right thing and reverse the call and declare it a perfect game. I would feel differently if it was not the last play but no way should the umpire be able to cost someone a perfect game with a call that was not borderline but terrible and undisputably wrong. As far as the argument that too many perfect games are bad for baseball, baseball is such a great game because anything can happen at any moment. Don Larsen can be perfect in a World Series game, VanDerMeer can throw no hitters in back to back starts, Mike Cameron can hit four home runs in a game, Jason Tyner can hit for the cycle, the Marlins can win the World Series twice in a few years and on and on. A perfect game is a perfect game and just because there were others lately does not make it any easier, imo it is one of the hardest single game feats to achieve in sports. To say that someone should rob someone of that just cheapens the game it is like saying well alot of people hit 50 home runs in the last 15 years so if someone has 49 the last day of the year the umpire should call a ball that is close to being foul but clearly fair foul to prevent him from getting 50 to preserve the sacredness of it. Such just sounds crazy. And why should those who have done it before get to have theirs without anyone ruining it while this player has to be prevented from getting there?

[joelsabi]

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They did not always have the technology available for it. Now that we do it is a discussion worth having. I think that the way they handle it football has added not taken away from the game.

I think that the strike zone should be left alone...but it sure would be nice to have a replay available for plays like this and balls trapped etc....a coach's challenge I think could be doable and not take away from the game. I personally dont think that the HR replays have, in fact Hamilton was robbed earlier this year when they felt they could rely on an umpires judgement alone.

why not the strikezone? if you mess with the play at first, questioning a third strike is the next progression. its just bad for baseball imho.

[joelsabi]

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Not every call, as I said, give each manager two or three challenges per game......

Must be nice to be able to edit your own posts ......

Kinda like the NBA?

And it's nice that you are aware that I edited.

[STLHAMMER32]

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It's part of the game. God why don't we just change all the rules and the name of the game. Did they have replay back in the 1920's and before that. That was real baseball and now we have pretty much a watered down version. I'm sure we can come up with computers that show a ball and strike and get rid of the home plate umpire in all.

They did not always have the technology available for it. Now that we do it is a discussion worth having. I think that the way they handle it football has added not taken away from the game.

I think that the strike zone should be left alone...but it sure would be nice to have a replay available for plays like this and balls trapped etc....a coach's challenge I think could be doable and not take away from the game. I personally dont think that the HR replays have, in fact Hamilton was robbed earlier this year when they felt they could rely on an umpires judgement alone.

[camarokids]

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umps will always screw up once in awhile as they are human.

one bad call to first should not allow every throw to first to be disputed. what next, a guy releases for home too early and that is reviewable? should every third strike be reviewable? it would be hurt the game, imho. ump screw ups will always be a part of the game.

imho, umps just need to be reviewed more often so the bad umps can be replaced and be held accountable.

Not every call, as I said, give each manager two or three challenges per game......

Must be nice to be able to edit your own posts ......

[camarokids]

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I'm sure we can come up with computers that show a ball and strike and get rid of the home plate umpire in all.

I would be all for that.

Especially the way umps have to call their own version of the strike zone and not call "balls & strikes" by the rule book.

How often do you have umps changing the strike zone from one game to the next?

Pitcher's have to adjust from one game to the next according to who the umpire is. Same with hitters.

I think there should be a standard strike for umpires to use and not their interpretation of the rule books.