Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

[VerifiedAutographsCom]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

I thought it was a players right to choose their new team during free agency? Players from all sports demand trades and go to new teams and it has never been a big problem like this. I think people need to let the man do his job and lighten up. The Cavs owner Dan Gilbert acted like a child and led a campaign of negativity against LeBron. It's a business and LeBron made a business decision. Imagine if you were hated by the entire universe because you picked a new job in another state????? People are so critical of others. The world would be a better place if people held themselves to the same standards expected of others. Raise your hand if you've divorced a wife? lol.

LeBron could have saved the "Talents to South Beach" press conference and he should have spoke to his teammates and the owner of the Cavs first, but just because he makes hundreds of millions and is a great ball player doesnt mean that he is always going to make wise decisions off the court.

P.S. As for as the finals....... You haters got under his skin and he choked. He is human after all. Is that so bad?

[Nathan]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

Saw the following attributed to Kevin Garnett: He has stated that you can't get back youth and he regrets being as loyal to the Twolves as he was and if he could do it over he would have forced his way out years before he finally did.

The end result with Garnett is this.

- He made as much cash as he could have by staying with Minnesota
- His career was going to be declining at this point anyway
- By staying in Minnesota through lean times, then being moved and winning a championship, the perception of Garnett and his overall image is substantially more positive than it would have been if he'd pulled a LeBron Modell

[Nathan]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

What do you guys think of Chris Paul demanding a trade? Unlike Lebron he has TWO YEARS left on his deal. He wants to go to the Magic where he can join Dwight Howard to form the league's best big man-point guard combo with the league's strongest supporting cast even if they have to trade Nelson and another player or two and some picks for him. Championships likely would follow and the Hornets the only team he ever played for would be left with one of the league's worst rosters.

A guy with five years in (in a league that isn't the NFL) demanding a trade because the team isn't as successful as he would have hoped by now.

Screw him too.

[joelsabi]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

There is no guarentee the Heat will even get one, the Lakers, Magic and Celts are tough, very deep teams. What I like about it is it creates a buzz around the NBA that there has not been in awhile and it will lure more fans into the game and create an attraction that fans clamor to see when it comes to town, even if it is to boo them as a villian team like they do to the Yankees in alot of cities.

The three teams you mention have size and strength. As the saying goes "you can't teach height" and I don't see much height on the Heat yet. Before the Heats worry about the Lakers they need to worry about the Magics in their own division and the Celtics in their own conference.

The Lakers are quietly improving depth to their team. Steve Blake to alleviate some pressure off Fisher. Matt Barnes as a backup to give Artest and Kobe some rest. Theo Ratliff gives them another big man with defensive skills. I wont mention the two young forwards who received good reviews at the Summer League -- Ebanks and Characters. I am looking forward to the upcoming season. Just need Bynam and Odom both healthy by playoff time.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

I'll admit I don't keep up much with hoops anymore. But if he's healthy. I'd still put Wade in the top 3 with Bryant & James. He's not even 30 yet. Howard has to be one of the most overrated players I've seen. Haven't seen much of Durant, but he looks good. Still young.

Moses going to the Sixers was in the ballpark. Erving MVP in '81, Malone MVP in '82, teamed up in '83 where Malone was MVP again. No Bosh-like addition to that team and Doc was 4 years older than Wade and on the downside of his career. One ring and done for that team.

There is no guarentee the Heat will even get one, the Lakers, Magic and Celts are tough, very deep teams. What I like about it is it creates a buzz around the NBA that there has not been in awhile and it will lure more fans into the game and create an attraction that fans clamor to see when it comes to town, even if it is to boo them as a villian team like they do to the Yankees in alot of cities.

[otismalibu]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

Wade is not a top three player. He is not the 2006 version anymore. Kobe, Howard, Durant, Lebron are defintely superior.

I'll admit I don't keep up much with hoops anymore. But if he's healthy. I'd still put Wade in the top 3 with Bryant & James. He's not even 30 yet. Howard has to be one of the most overrated players I've seen. Haven't seen much of Durant, but he looks good. Still young.

Moses going to the Sixers was in the ballpark. Erving MVP in '81, Malone MVP in '82, teamed up in '83 where Malone was MVP again. No Bosh-like addition to that team and Doc was 4 years older than Wade and on the downside of his career. One ring and done for that team.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

My head is starting to hurt. You do realize a good portion of the players listed above were drafted by the team, right?

Go thru each NBA season and list the top 3 players from that year. Then make a list of instances where one of those top 3 players went to a team that included one of the other two.

1. Back in the day the league had many less teams and no salary cap so teams were able to stockpile good players via the draft and keep them.

2. Free agency is a relatively new thing so many of the players I listed did not have the right to pick and choose teams.

3. Wade is not a top three player. He is not the 2006 version anymore. Kobe, Howard, Durant, Lebron are defintely superior. In no particular order guys like Garnett (when healthy), Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Derrick Rose, Carmelo and Chris Paul are arguably equal or superior players. While defintely top ten top three is a reach.In history similar moves are Moses Malone going to Philly and helping your man Dr. J. get his ring. Robertson going to play with Kareem and Wilt joining Baylor and West. All of those players were top ten players joining other top ten players.

Originally I opposed the move but after thinking about it I have no problem with it.

[otismalibu]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

The NBA has had superteams for years. Bird had McHale, Parrish, Johnson, Archibald, McAdoo and Walton as Teamates. Magic had Worthy and Abdul Jabbar. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman. The Pistons had Thomas, Dumars and Rodman. The 70s Knicks had Monroe, Frazier, Reed, Dave D., Lucas and Bradley. The 60s Celts had Bill Russell, Havlicheck, Cousy, Cowens, Henishon, Sharman and Sam Jones. Robertson changed teams to team up with Kareem. Wilt changed teams to team with West and Baylor. This Bosh, Wade and James team is no different and is actually inferior to many of those teams.

My head is starting to hurt. You do realize a good portion of the players listed above were drafted by the team, right?

Go thru each NBA season and list the top 3 players from that year. Then make a list of instances where one of those top 3 players went to a team that included one of the other two.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

The NBA has bigger divas than Hollywood!

Dave Miedema

I actually find it really funny. Everyone gives this so much attention, in other sports guys change teams constantly. Cliff Lee one of best arms in MLB has been on four teams since 2008, with a fifth to come in 2011 possibly. Arod has been on three teams, Griffey was on four and on and on.

The NBA has had superteams for years. Bird had McHale, Parrish, Johnson, Archibald, McAdoo and Walton as Teamates. Magic had Worthy and Abdul Jabbar. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman. The Pistons had Thomas, Dumars and Rodman. The 70s Knicks had Monroe, Frazier, Reed, Dave D., Lucas and Bradley. The 60s Celts had Bill Russell, Havlicheck, Cousy, Cowens, Henishon, Sharman and Sam Jones. Robertson changed teams to team up with Kareem. Wilt changed teams to team with West and Baylor. This Bosh, Wade and James team is no different and is actually inferior to many of those teams.

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

The NBA has bigger divas than Hollywood!

Dave Miedema

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

Saw the following attributed to Kevin Garnett: He has stated that you can't get back youth and he regrets being as loyal to the Twolves as he was and if he could do it over he would have forced his way out years before he finally did.

[dirtyla2000]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

What do you guys think of Chris Paul demanding a trade? Unlike Lebron he has TWO YEARS left on his deal. He wants to go to the Magic where he can join Dwight Howard to form the league's best big man-point guard combo with the league's strongest supporting cast even if they have to trade Nelson and another player or two and some picks for him. Championships likely would follow and the Hornets the only team he ever played for would be left with one of the league's worst rosters.

At least he gave the Hornets more than 5 minutes notice,unlike Leb_tch James !

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

What do you guys think of Chris Paul demanding a trade? Unlike Lebron he has TWO YEARS left on his deal. He wants to go to the Magic where he can join Dwight Howard to form the league's best big man-point guard combo with the league's strongest supporting cast even if they have to trade Nelson and another player or two and some picks for him. Championships likely would follow and the Hornets the only team he ever played for would be left with one of the league's worst rosters.

[BostonSportsFan]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

This year:
Salary cap is 58 million. Currently under contract is:

Jamison 13.3 Million
Mo Williams 9.3 Mil
Varejo-7 Mil
Gibson-4 mil.
Moon-3 mil
Parker-2.8 mil.
Telfair-2.7 mil
Hickson-1.5 Mil.
Powe-915,000
Williams-1 mil.

Non guarenteed
West-4.5 mil.-500k guarenteed if cut.
Green-762,000

Next year
Jamison-15 mil.
Mo Williams 8.5 mil.
Varejo-7.7 Mil.
Gibson 4.4 mil.

What you have to take into consideration here is Jamison's huge expiring contract could be major trade bait next year or during the 11/12 season. Jamison is under contract only through 2011/12. The Cavs currently only have 22 Million guarenteed in 2012/13. I know in a world where everyone wants everything right now, that it would be extremely difficult for the Queen to wait two more seasons to win but again, he would be 27 years old then. At that point with him on the roster maxed out, they would have been at least 18 mil under the cap and still have the annual mid level exception to spend plus veteran minimum contracts that they could spend even if they went over the cap. That is also considering that if LeBron wants to win so bad, take a pay cut to stay home, leave $5 - $8 mil a year on the table like he was willing to do in Miami and allow the Cavs to use that to sign future players when they have the roster open to be able to do that. Also in 2012/13, Mo Williams, Gibson and Hickson are also all in expiring contracts, so again, you can use them as trade bait if you wanted to to pick up other expiring contracts or try to get actual decent players off of teams trying to clear space themselves.

Lets say that LeBron said to Bosh and Wade, I am not leaving and that is that. Maybe Bosh came, maybe he didn't, but people are really serious that they think if the money was available, maybe not this year, maybe next year etc. that someone would not have taken a max contract to play in Cleveland. I love Miami too but come on guys that is stupidity.

Yeah, you still have to fill out a roster, but you can do that with the mid level and veterans minimum contracts that are available as the heat are doing now even if you are over the cap.

You can't tell me that veteran players would not take the minimum to go play in Cleveland if he elected to stay just because it was Cleveland if they really thought that they could in fact win.

Cleveland did not need a major roster overhaul, again, best record in the league two straight years. If they got a really good shooter or two and someone servicable off the bench, they could have at least competed for and probably gotten out of the East in the next two years.

Again, I don't care that he left, but to suggest that just because Cleveland has never won that they never will is just ridiculous. If you get the right front office people to run the team, anything can be accomplished. Look at teams like San Antonio, Boston, LA, Miami now in terms of maximizing what you have to spend, making the right decisions, putting good contracts on the table etc.

It might have taken a few more years but it could have been done. The Queen just did not want to wait around instead he wanted to take the easy way out.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Why is LeBron getting so much hate?

It's about the bucks. Cleveland seems to have a unfair City Wage tax and when coupled with the tax rate of the State of Ohio, it's about a 8% hit just in City and State taxes.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/11962

In Florida, there aren't any State Income taxes. Read the below article and while some people think it's Patriotic to pay their taxes, some people MAY NOT feel the same way.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/26503.html

Read both articles and you guys decide.

Jim

PS: Hope I didn't offend anyone