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Interesting comments from the hearing about Jerry Sandusky today:

McQueary said he was left with the impression both men took his report seriously. When asked why he didn’t go to police, he referenced Shultz’s position as a vice president at the university who had overseen the campus police

“I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you,” he said. “In my mind it was like speaking to a (district attorney). It was someone who police reported to and would know what to do with it.”

Pretty much what I assumed all along. The guy thought he was properly reporting the actions he saw. The guy is now on leave from the Penn State Football program because he stumbled upon witnessing something so horrific and he stated under oath he thought his report was being made to the head of the police.

Pretty sad that this guy's timing may cost him his career. I always felt he thought he had reported it properly. Too bad he didn't know better.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse

[freddiefreeman5]

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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7226363/lawyer-says-joe-paterno-law-team-try-use-potential-legal-loophole

"There's no doubt Joe Paterno will be sued and it will be left up to the discovery process to determine his liability," Specter said. "There are a lot of victims who suffered damages, and I expect that some number of defendants will be obligated to pay a lot of money."

[Hangtime8]

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Then those police should be charged as well. Anyone who help cover and hush things up for this sicko should be charged.

You are so correct. The DA at the time went missing. The later found his vehicle and his laptop (with the harddrive removed) in the river. After 6 years of him missing, he was pronounced legally dead. A search was done at his home computer and there was a search for how to erase a hard drive. I don't think we know the whole story and I don't think, we ever will.

[camarokids]

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I apologize. I didn't realize the police knew for over a decade that Sandusky had raped a child. I stand corrected.

Then those police should be charged as well. Anyone who help cover and hush things up for this sicko should be charged.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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The police and DA were aware of the situation for over a decade and yet they also allowed Sandusky to continue with these horrible acts. There are many more people who knew what was going no, but Paterno is the scape goat.

I apologize. I didn't realize the police knew for over a decade that Sandusky had raped a child. I stand corrected.

[Hangtime8]

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Covering up the rape of a child has many downfalls.

The police and DA were aware of the situation for over a decade and yet they also allowed Sandusky to continue with these horrible acts. There are many more people who knew what was going no, but Paterno is the scape goat.

[both-teams-played-hard]

We WERE Penn State

We are upset that this is one situation takes priority over the 60 years of great things, he has done.

Covering up the rape of a child has many downfalls.

[lakeerie92]

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This is a pattern of cover up and Paterno regrets getting caught. He stated he with hindsight he wishes he would have done more, but he had every opportunity to and did not.

Everybody knew what happened in 1998 with Sandusky and he was told not to be showering with boys after that. He was allegedly caught by a university janitor giving oral sex to an underage boy in 2000. Then the incident in 2002 should have been the straw that broke the camel's back. It doesn't matter what details Paterno knew, he was banned from showering with boys and everybody knew that. He continued at that point to be allowed on campus and to work with the Second Mile organization.

There is a pattern of cover up that make you wonder if Penn State really was a clean program or just good at keeping issues in house.

I think JoePa probably retained a lawyer for the impending civil suits he will face for not doing more.

[MarkakisMania]

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How exactly is everyone supposed to react at this point? It was around this time exactly one week ago that all of these allegations came out against Sandusky. Up until that point in the history of the program Penn State had never been so much as accused of any NCAA violations. The University had earned to that point a stellar reputation for both academics and athletics.

Fast forward not even one week in 2 or 3 days the University President, Head Coach, Athletic Director and Senior VP of Business are all gone. Two of those men Graham Spanier the President and Joe Paterno were to that point among the most respected men in their respective positions in the entire country. The head coach had been employed by the University for 62 years and his former D coordinator of 32 years is now being accused of one of the most serious crimes that anyone could possibly ever be accused of. To boot, to that point, this man was also supposedly among the most respected former assistant coaches and by all accounts had led a stellar off the field life mentoring kids.

To say this is all surreal and worse than the absolutely most horrifc horror movie that anybody could ever imagine is putting it mildly.

I think based upon my conversations this week with approximately 10 PSU alumni that they are simply in complete shock as to how such a horrific tragedy could possibly unfold and happen at their university. To think this through, even the most horrible NCAA violations at any university in history or scandals took months and sometimes years to be uncovered. You never see something come out and the entire university turned upside down with the entire administration and athletic dept. being fired in the course of 3 or 4 days. It is unchartered territory.

Again, this is not to minimize anything regarding this tragedy, but this is not a program that has any history of scandal at all. There has never been even a hint of problems or scandals up at PSU. This is Penn State and nothing like this should happen anywhere much less a place that has built its reputation on honor and integrity. To think that a coach who had worked 62 years in one place could go from being on the verge of nomination for the Presidential Medal of Freedom to fired in the course of 5 days is beyond comprehension.

I just think at this point everyone is so confused and simply does not know what to think or know what is coming next. There is just no strategy you can employ to deal with this, no playbook to look at to determine how to react or what actions should be taken. There has never been anything like this in the history of sports and we can only hope to God there is nothing like this again.

I too agree while this is horrible on every single level I will reserve final judgement on Joe Paterno's legacy until we know more. Was this simply reckless operation and a failure to follow through or was it a complete cover up orchestrated to protect the integrity and ultimately the financial juggarnaut that Penn State athletics is. Joe has absolutely done incredible things in his 62 years at Penn State for not only the University but for the community and the state and the countless student athletes that were entrusted to his care. Lets hope that is not all wiped out by more damning evidence, only time will tell.

Jeb

[camarokids]

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Wasn't Lastings Milledge in some legal trouble in high school in regards to sexual contact with an underage girl? So maybe if you want to support him, you should remember the saying "People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones."

Lastings was in high school at the time not a grown adult. If true, at least he chose the right sex to try and have coitus with. He wasn't poking 10 year old boys in the ass, like Sandusky!

[camarokids]

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The Penn State student body, alumini, and family are upset with not only for the terrible crime towards the kids, but for the poor portrayal of Paterno from the media and people, who don't know him. Paterno's
mistake was not knowing the sevarity of the situation and taking more action. We are upset that this is one situation takes priority over the 60 years of great things, he has done. Not to dismiss or put light to the tragedy that happened with the kids, but the tranish to Paterno's legacy is an injustice.

There was/were impropriety's with underage children. The police should have been contacted long ago. He covered up for a friend. Paterno is trying to or has hired a criminal attorney, a good sign he may have something to hide.

[LastingsMilledge85]

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The Penn State student body, alumini, and family are upset with not only for the terrible crime towards the kids, but for the poor portrayal of Paterno from the media and people, who don't know him. Paterno's
mistake was not knowing the sevarity of the situation and taking more action. We are upset that this is one situation takes priority over the 60 years of great things, he has done. Not to dismiss or put light to the tragedy that happened with the kids, but the tranish to Paterno's legacy is an injustice.

You are entitled to your feelings and opinions on this matter. Everyone has their own opinion towards the situation and towards the way it was carried out. All I ask, is not to bring up something totally irrelevant and nonsense to this serious situation. C'mon son.

[Hangtime8]

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When did I ever weigh an opinion on Paterno? All I was alluding to was that the Penn State current student body acted too little too late in regards to the vigil, and their actions/reactions towards the situation.

The Penn State student body, alumini, and family are upset with not only for the terrible crime towards the kids, but for the poor portrayal of Paterno from the media and people, who don't know him. Paterno's
mistake was not knowing the sevarity of the situation and taking more action. We are upset that this is one situation takes priority over the 60 years of great things, he has done. Not to dismiss or put light to the tragedy that happened with the kids, but the tranish to Paterno's legacy is an injustice.

[LastingsMilledge85]

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When was Paterno convicted? He unfortunitly used poor judgement in not pushing the incident, but he didn't do anything ILLEGAL.

When did I ever weigh an opinion on Paterno? All I was alluding to was that the Penn State current student body acted too little too late in regards to the vigil, and their actions/reactions towards the situation.

[Hangtime8]

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Was he convicted? Did it go any further than alleged? It was later to be proven that people were trying to tarnish his reputation for the draft. So please, don't bring up something that was never proven to be factual.

When was Paterno convicted? He unfortunitly used poor judgement in not pushing the incident, but he didn't do anything ILLEGAL.