Santana no hitter

[TNTtoys]

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I am waiting for the third base umpire to make a public apology for having something in his eyes. It must have been the chalk being hit by the ball being carried by the wind and got into his eyes.

Revenge of the umpire for chalk getting into his vision.


But seriously, how could it NOT be a hit when the ball hit the chalk line AFTER the base bag? This does not need instant replay.


I am not taking anything away from Santana, but forever this "chalk blurred my vision" by the umpire will be tagged along with the No Hitter.


Even some of my family members who are die-hard Mets fans - they even say that it was not a No Hitter. It is more like a dirty No Hitter if anything. But since they were suffering for so long with out having one, regular MLB fans might just let it go.


If that is the case, might as well give the Padres a No Hitter and get it over with.

Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

Two words for you... Jeffrey Maier.

Take away that botched call and the Yankees perhaps do not advance... and Baltimore does. Then the dynasty that begins for the Yankees in 1996 does not happen until 1998 the earliest.

Anyone who complains about how the Mets got away with a call on Friday night has some very serious short term memory......

[slab0meat]

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Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

Two words for you... Jeffrey Maier.

Take away that botched call and the Yankees perhaps do not advance... and Baltimore does. Then the dynasty that begins for the Yankees in 1996 does not happen until 1998 the earliest.

Anyone who complains about how the Mets got away with a call on Friday night has some very serious short term memory......

Take away the botched call in the Mets game, and you have a black and white result, that being Santana did not pitch a no-hitter.

Your example is a "perhaps" situation, and possibly may have affected who won or lost the series. The timing of the dynasty also is speculation.

I have no problem with Santana's no-hitter, though it sucks he got it because of a bad call, and it sucks Galarraga didn't get his because of a terrible call also. Happens. But an example with multiple "maybes" vs a concrete result isn't exactly a good comparison.

[TNTtoys]

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an example with multiple "maybes" vs a concrete result isn't exactly a good comparison.

Point taken.

How about the blown call in the 2009 ALDS where Joe Mauer's extra base hit down the left field line in the 11th inning (again, against the Yankees) is ruled foul. The go-ahead run in the ballgame does not score as a result, and the Twins go on to lose an excruciating game and the series?

And what I am trying to say here is that fans of teams that have been on the positive end of blown calls really shouldn't be in any position to criticize...

[marino13]

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Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

Two words for you... Jeffrey Maier.

Take away that botched call and the Yankees perhaps do not advance... and Baltimore does. Then the dynasty that begins for the Yankees in 1996 does not happen until 1998 the earliest.

Anyone who complains about how the Mets got away with a call on Friday night has some very serious short term memory......

I am a fan of BLACK and WHITE evidences - before instant replay!

How could the third base umpire could not see the missing chalk on the line? And how about the rest of the crew did not get together and talk over about the baseball being hit on the chalk-line AFTER the base bag? Because of their laziness and so forth, it cheapen the milestone for Johan (who I liked since the Twinkies' days) and the lovable-losers Mets.



I am a supporter of "instant replay" due to so many "blind eyes" umpires' mistakes!

[slab0meat]

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Point taken.

How about the blown call in the 2009 ALDS where Joe Mauer's extra base hit down the left field line in the 11th inning (again, against the Yankees) is ruled foul. The go-ahead run in the ballgame does not score as a result, and the Twins go on to lose an excruciating game and the series?

And what I am trying to say here is that fans of teams that have been on the positive end of blown calls really shouldn't be in any position to criticize...

You're right in that regard, but fans will be fans.... and everyone will criticize regardless.. I'm waiting for the next pitcher to throw a no-hitter and lose. That's a nice rare feat.

[legaleagle92481]

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Note that Humber's perfect game earlier this year shouldn't have been a perfect game as the ump blew the call on the 27th out. Also Bob Forsch once pitched a no hitter with the aid of the scorekeeper, a batter hit a clean single that was ruked an "error" to preserve the no no. Those are just two I can think of.

[marino13]

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You're right in that regard, but fans will be fans.... and everyone will criticize regardless.. I'm waiting for the next pitcher to throw a no-hitter and lose. That's a nice rare feat.

That would be super rare!


I will blame that on the defense - and then the pitcher who relieves.


Or I can just blame the homeplate umpire who called 16-straight BALL.

[brianborsch]

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Two words for everyone: INSTANT REPLAY. We need to have it and have rules associated with how may times a manager can call to it (like in Football). But in some cases it will not only make the game more accurate, but shorten the games....no more long drawn out ump vs. manager arguments etc. Have personel ready and waiting to review a questionable call, that way most close plays are already in the process of being reviewed before the manager can even get to the ump to request it.
Jeter's fake of being hit by the ball a few years ago, Galarraga's loss of his perfect game (or was it just a no-no), and Johan's not reaL NO-NO would all be accurate.

I know it would be a big change, but sometimes change is needed....it's not like it would destroy the game....

[slab0meat]

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That would be super rare!


I will blame that on the defense - and then the pitcher who relieves.


Or I can just blame the homeplate umpire who called 16-straight BALL.

From Wiki:

Nine-inning no-hitters in a losing effort
Unlike a perfect game, in which no batters reach base, in regular no-hitters batters can reach base in other ways, such as a walk, an error, or a hit batsman, thus it is possible for the team pitching the no-hitter to lose. On April 23, 1964, Ken Johnson of the Houston Colt .45s became the only pitcher to lose a complete game no-hitter in nine innings when he was beaten 1-0 by Cincinnati. The winning run was scored by Pete Rose in the top of the ninth inning via an error, groundout, and another error.[12]
On April 30, 1967, Steve Barber and Stu Miller of the Baltimore Orioles pitched a combined no-hitter, but lost 2-1 to the Detroit Tigers.[13]
On July 1, 1990, Andy Hawkins of the Yankees pitched an eight-inning no-hitter (the Yankees were the away team) against the Chicago White Sox and lost the game 4-0 after an eighth inning which saw three errors.[14] The four runs that the White Sox scored are the most by any team in a game in which they had no hits. [15] Because Hawkins only threw eight innings, this game is not recognized as an official no-hitter by Major League Baseball.
Jered Weaver and Jose Arredondo of the Angels also combined for eight innings of no-hit baseball in a 1-0 road loss to the Dodgers June 28, 2008, where Matt Kemp reached on an error, stole second, advanced to third on another error, and scored on a sacrifice fly. However, since the Angels only pitched eight innings, this game is not recognized as an official no-hitter.