NCAA's Poor Leadership

[trsent]

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News today states that they were originally going to get the death penalty for four years and this is their negotiated compromise.

[Chris78]

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Another ignorant post regarding the situation- the "guy molesting children" was the core of the problem. The sanctions have to do with the lack of action and cover up by paterno, the school's AD/ president / and vice president FOR 10 YEARS. The football culture was Bigger than the educational institution The true amount of children harmed during that time span may never be known.
I think the punishment is appropriate and should be a wake up call to other schools where athletics run the show.

The situation was under investigation for 10+ years and originally reported in 1998. Keep in mind that our government is very "process" oriented. The Freeh report is what some people wanted to hear and based on his opinion. In reality, anybody could do more about anything. For instance, Bud Selig could have done more about the steroids issue in baseball and I personally feel that he should have. I feel records have been tainted as a result. On the flip side, by not doing anything, it brought back baseball from the strike period especially with the home run chase in 1998.

The problem with the NCAA decision is that it affects too many people that have nothing to do with the problem. Penn State is a great school for academics and not just football. This is looking at the "big picture" and looking at the situation on how everyone is being impacted by the decision. The punishment is too severe when looking at it that way. This is not ingorance; this is intelligence.

The alternative about giving the death penalty for 4 years may have been better because Penn State could appeal the problem easier and it puts more pressure on the NCAA. As it stands now, I feel Penn State needs to appeal the situation at some point anyway.

[yanks12025]

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Either way its still not right, because I'm sure most of the members on that team had no clue what was going on. Why should they get punished for something they weren't apart of.

[kudu]

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Another ignorant post regarding the situation- the "guy molesting children" was the core of the problem. The sanctions have to do with the lack of action and cover up by paterno, the school's AD/ president / and vice president FOR 10 YEARS. The football culture was Bigger than the educational institution The true amount of children harmed during that time span may never be known.
I think the punishment is appropriate and should be a wake up call to other schools where athletics run the show.

I agree. There were crimes knowingly committed, against children, on the Penn State campus and the powers that be at Penn State tried to cover it up. I think the people that are affected by this punishment, should take it, with all due respect to the children who were victimized for life.

[Chris78]

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I agree. There were crimes knowingly committed, against children, on the Penn State campus and the powers that be at Penn State tried to cover it up. I think the people that are affected by this punishment, should take it, with all due respect to the children who were victimized for life.

Time will tell how severe the situation and impact will be. If the situation ends up affecting too many innocent people, I disagree with that. I felt that way when I heard the decision and I know others feel the same way.

[GoTigers]

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I feel like Im taking crazy pills.. Chris, nobody outside of the PSU cult feels like the penalties were too severe. Nobody cares if PSU ever plays football again, nobody will ever cheer for that team that didnt go there. The way the fans and admin have handled this, will make PSU the black sheep of college football forever.

I have no respect for the school or fans anymore. All i hear is bellyaching about the penalties. Its like the fans dont care, or understand, or have let it sink in that the people in charge LET CHILDREN GET RAPED. Not only did they not report the rapes.. They gave the guy an office and tickets and a position which enabled him to rape little boys.. Then the covered it up to protect a STUPID FREAKING FOOTBALL TEAM.

If the Alumni, or people in charge cared at all about the University, or academics they would have self imposed the death penalty. Instead the University students RIOT and MOAN about sanctions and the firing of a "Legend". It just proves that after all the events.. The environment that lead to this.. "Football is bigger than the University".. Is STILL alive at PSU.

It is disgusting and I will cheer every game that PSU looses from now on.

[David]

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It's a university for learning, not a semi-pro football team. Penn State had a culture where football was more important than academics and the football coach was revered as a demi-God. This was the cause of the scandal and every student and fan contributed to this culture.

If the university is about academics, then it's a good thing the power of football team has been scaled back. Alumni who care about academics should support this. They should be glad. And alumni who want the old Paterno balance of power care about football, not academics.

Hurting the students? Far from it. Scaling back the football teams power, helps student, now and in the future.

It's a scandal that football can have so much power and sway at any university. It's not just a Pen State thing.

Do you ever wonder why Cal Tech and MIT don't have Division I football teams, even when each school has a larger endowment than Penn State, Alabama or LSU? It's because they see their mission as, *gasp*, educating students.

[David]

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If you honestly care about the current and future students' welfare, hope Penn States shifts the power to academics. Because when a Penn State student applies to medical school, the medical schools are going to care about the academic standing of the university and not how many football games it won.

[David]

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I'll add that I did go to a Big 10 school and do follow their sports teams, but still think the size and influence of sports in universities can be ridiculous.

And P.s. my college has an excellent football team Regularly one of the best in the conference.

[gingi79]

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$60 million fine is an estimated loss of three seasons revenue. That means the football team generates $20 million A YEAR. No one on this website can possibly be naive enough to think staying quiet wasn't a monetary decision.

Colleges like this can preach academic integrity until they are blue in the face but you are kidding yourself if you think any school doesn't hold athtletics and the income therefrom above all else. PSU fans whose noses have been so far up in the air that they spray the ceiling when sneezing just got gut-punched. That pious attitude and swagger just dissolved into thin air like a stale fart.

[metsbats]

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Guys,

The Moderators have received a complaint about the content of this thread. We were considering closing it but decided to leave it open for constructive discussion/debate. However please be sensitive that there may be folks reading this who are or were associated with PSU so please frame your discussions with this in mind.

If we feel things get too heated or off topic we will lock the thread.

Thanks
David

[Chris78]

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By the way, Mike McQueary should have just gone to the police when he saw the incident.

I have read lots of different opinions that are all over the place from this board to the newspapers and beyond. The reality is too many people will be affected by the NCAA decision in my opinion. I would like to hear why this is not going to happen.

Chris

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Chris,

In my humble opinion, I think you should let this thread end. This topic is barely about sports and not at all about game used memorabilia. One old dirtbag ruined the lives of many people.
The Penn State football players who stand by their team and play this season are heroes. Be proud of that.

[rufusandherschel]

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Guys,

The Moderators have received a complaint about the content of this thread. We were considering closing it but decided to leave it open for constructive discussion/debate. However please be sensitive that there may be folks reading this who are or were associated with PSU so please frame your discussions with this in mind.

If we feel things get too heated or off topic we will lock the thread.

Thanks
David

Time to shut this thread down (as I thought Moderator Mike Specht previously had done).

[halzeus]

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The OP provided his opinion and others have provided their opposing viewpoints.

This is one of those topics that will never end.

Please close this thread. Thank you.