PED's Baseball and Lance Armstrong

[schubert1970]

Re: PED's Baseball and Lance Armstrong

Yes, it was funny as i had mentioned looking at players stats covering late 30s and early 40s. And last time I looked, that would include ages 36, 37, etc. And my stats include many very good years above those ages as well.
Nice job not including Spahn in your little paradigm...bravo!

Spahn isn't a position player, just a tad different.

[gorilla777]

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Funny thing, last I looked Jeter was 38 and those were the stats I looked at 38 and older. You picked younger years to fit your paradigm. But thanks for the informative info.

Yes, it was funny as i had mentioned looking at players stats covering late 30s and early 40s. And last time I looked, that would include ages 36, 37, etc. And my stats include many very good years above those ages as well.
Nice job not including Spahn in your little paradigm...bravo!

[yanks12025]

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Funny thing, last I looked Jeter was 38 and those were the stats I looked at 38 and older. You picked younger years to fit your paradigm. But thanks for the informative info.

Then just look at the numbers from 38 and older and they have better years then some of the previous years.

[schubert1970]

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Seems there is quite a bit omitted from this -

Tony Gwynn:
age 37 .372
age 38 .321
age 39 .338
age 40 .323
age 41 .324

And fat as he was, that should be impossible at those ages.

Paul Molitor:
age 36 .332
age 37 .341
age 38 .270
age 39 .341
age 40 .305

He was always injury prone, so suddenly playing the majority of games at a high level late in his career means you should question him too, correct?

Pete Rose:
age 37 .302
age 38 .331
age 39 average lower, had 64 RBIs
age 40 .331

I like Pete and not much to say about him that hasn't already been said.

Hank Aaron:
age 37 .327 47 HRs 118 RBIs
age 38 .265 34 HRs 77 RBIs
age 39 .301 40 HRs 96 RBIs

His 162 gm avg is 37 and 113

George Brett:
age 37 .329 batting title

career .305 hitter

Mike Schmidt:
age 36 MVP year, .290 37 HRs 119 RBIs
age 37 .293 35 HRs 113 RBIs
the last year and a half he was dealing with injuries

Stan Musial:
hit .330 at age 41
averaged about .345 during ages 36 and 37
His later numbers pale mostly because he put the bar so high.

Warren Spahn:
age 37 22-11 3.07 era
age 38 21-15 2.96 era
age 39 21-10 3.50 era
age 40 21-13 3.02 era
age 41 18-14 3.04 era
age 42 23-7 2.60 era

Maybe just a freak of nature, but purely amazing numbers

Funny thing, last I looked Jeter was 38 and those were the stats I looked at 38 and older. You picked younger years to fit your paradigm. But thanks for the informative info.

[schubert1970]

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Really?

Comparing an 18-19 year old kid fresh out of high school to a 34 year old professional athlete with almost 2 decades worth of elite training, nutrition and conditioning is hardly a fair or accurate comparison of anything

Where have we heard this before......

[Jags Fan Dan]

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I'm definitely not ready to say I'm suspicios of Jeter. Guys stay in better shape in this era and Jeter loves the game enough to work at it. While I don't like the Yankees, I respect that.

[gorilla777]

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It would probably be more on point to simply say that the Jeter comment was obviously unsubstantiated and flippant to put out there in the first place.

[chakes89]

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Thanks, and here's some Jeter evidence for you too.

Really?

Comparing an 18-19 year old kid fresh out of high school to a 34 year old professional athlete with almost 2 decades worth of elite training, nutrition and conditioning is hardly a fair or accurate comparison of anything

[gorilla777]

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George Brett - Age 38 .255 Age 39 .285 Age 40 .266

Hank Aaron - Age 39 he had a great year, not a career year. Age 38, 40, 41 he batted .234 to .265

Paul Molitor - He did have a career year at ages 37 and 39

Mike Schmidt - Age 38 & 39 batted .242 and .203

Pete Rose from age 39 to 45 Pete had one good year, not what I would call a carrer yer.

Tony Gwynn - From age 38 - 41 had some great averages for his age, but not career years. Also, Tonly was on the doughnut diet.


San Musial - Aside from batting .330 at age 41 he batted .255-.275 from ages 38-42

Seems there is quite a bit omitted from this -

Tony Gwynn:
age 37 .372
age 38 .321
age 39 .338
age 40 .323
age 41 .324

And fat as he was, that should be impossible at those ages.

Paul Molitor:
age 36 .332
age 37 .341
age 38 .270
age 39 .341
age 40 .305

He was always injury prone, so suddenly playing the majority of games at a high level late in his career means you should question him too, correct?

Pete Rose:
age 37 .302
age 38 .331
age 39 average lower, had 64 RBIs
age 40 .331

I like Pete and not much to say about him that hasn't already been said.

Hank Aaron:
age 37 .327 47 HRs 118 RBIs
age 38 .265 34 HRs 77 RBIs
age 39 .301 40 HRs 96 RBIs

His 162 gm avg is 37 and 113

George Brett:
age 37 .329 batting title

career .305 hitter

Mike Schmidt:
age 36 MVP year, .290 37 HRs 119 RBIs
age 37 .293 35 HRs 113 RBIs
the last year and a half he was dealing with injuries

Stan Musial:
hit .330 at age 41
averaged about .345 during ages 36 and 37
His later numbers pale mostly because he put the bar so high.

Warren Spahn:
age 37 22-11 3.07 era
age 38 21-15 2.96 era
age 39 21-10 3.50 era
age 40 21-13 3.02 era
age 41 18-14 3.04 era
age 42 23-7 2.60 era

Maybe just a freak of nature, but purely amazing numbers

[schubert1970]

Re: PED's Baseball and Lance Armstrong

Here's some Pete Rose evidence.

Thanks, and here's some Jeter evidence for you too.

[yanks12025]

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Here's some Pete Rose evidence.

[schubert1970]

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Ok I am really confused here. You said and your argument is Jeter is having a career year, am I correct? And in your most recent post you said all those or most of the players have had good years in there late 30's not career years. So if I am assuming correctly your saying thatJeter having a career year at this age unlike other players who have managed at one point in there late 30's to have good years implicates more so that Jeter may have taken some type of PED? If this is correct and I am understanding everything you are saying.

You are compltely wrong. If this is not your argument my further protest I apologize for ahead of time. I just checked Jeters stats and by the way he is not having a career year. If you look at his stats he is on pace to have a normal Jeter year. So where does this career year come from?

Jeter this year
Hits 169 - He has hit over 200, 7 years previously
BA. 324 - He has batted that or more 5 years previously
Doubles 27 - He has batted over 30, 8 years previously
Home Runs 13 - He has batted over that 8 years previously

Am I missing something? To where he is having a career year when he has done better in the past?
And even though he still has some time left to add to his stats he is on pace to either matching them or falling a drop short. I dont see him all of a sudden doing something amazing with 38 games to go.

He hasn't led the league in hits since 1999. I'd say to do it this year at his age is interesting.

[schubert1970]

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Jeff Bagwell has never failed a test for PEDs and was not named in the Mitchell Report. While Bagwell may well have used, let's stick to the facts here and not throw Pujols and Jeter's names into the mix until we have conclusive proof.

This is conclusive enough for me.

[suave1477]

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Who else has ever had a career year at almost age 39? I can think of two right off the top of me head....Clemens and Bonds.

Ok I am really confused here. You said and your argument is Jeter is having a career year, am I correct? And in your most recent post you said all those or most of the players have had good years in there late 30's not career years. So if I am assuming correctly your saying thatJeter having a career year at this age unlike other players who have managed at one point in there late 30's to have good years implicates more so that Jeter may have taken some type of PED? If this is correct and I am understanding everything you are saying.

You are compltely wrong. If this is not your argument my further protest I apologize for ahead of time. I just checked Jeters stats and by the way he is not having a career year. If you look at his stats he is on pace to have a normal Jeter year. So where does this career year come from?

Jeter this year
Hits 169 - He has hit over 200, 7 years previously
BA. 324 - He has batted that or more 5 years previously
Doubles 27 - He has batted over 30, 8 years previously
Home Runs 13 - He has batted over that 8 years previously

Am I missing something? To where he is having a career year when he has done better in the past?
And even though he still has some time left to add to his stats he is on pace to either matching them or falling a drop short. I dont see him all of a sudden doing something amazing with 38 games to go.

[schubert1970]

Re: PED's Baseball and Lance Armstrong

Jeff Bagwell has never failed a test for PEDs and was not named in the Mitchell Report. While Bagwell may well have used, let's stick to the facts here and not throw Pujols and Jeter's names into the mix until we have conclusive proof.

I guess with Jeff's bud Ken Caminiti passing away we'll never know.