Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

[Tay1038]

Hello Everyone!

Just recently picked up a few High-End Gamers of Derek Jeter. Both are accompanied by Yankees-Steiner LOA's. Please email me at Tay1038@aol.com if interested. Photos are available

Thanks!

2001 Game-Used World Series Home Jersey
2007 Game-Used Away Jersey

[admin_old]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

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[Tay1038]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

Sorry about that everyone... Price are posted below. If interested, please make an offer. Tay1038@aol.com

2001 Game-Used World Series Home Jersey - $15,000.00
2007 Game-Used Away Jersey - $8000.00

[Tay1038]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

Still looking to sell 2001. Will take $12,000.00 OBO. Jersey is available but on PENDING Sale right now. Photos are available. This is a great investment for anyone who can sit on it!! Only will rise in value!

2007 Gamer - SOLD.. Thanks to all who were interested.

Tay1038@aol.com email if interested.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

is the 2001 jeter WS jersey the same one as discussed in this thread?:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=13583

thanks,

rudy.

[Tay1038]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

Hi Rudy!

Yes. This is the one. After the jersey did not sell on eBay, I emailed the seller and asked what the LOA read. It indeed reads "Derek Jeter 2001 Game-Used World Series Home Jersey". After hearing that fact and seeing photos of the LOA, I thought I might offer on the jersey. In all, we worked out a deal for it and now it is in my hands and I love it. The wear is AMAZING and one of the best Gamer's I have ever owned!

After reading a response from the post Howard started that you and I helped match photos, I called Steiner-Sports up and brought up the 'Blunder' idea that Mr. Bourget mentioned. The gentleman I spoke with told me that there were a few players during the series that wore not just one set, but 2 or 3 sets in the World Series and that this was the case with this Jeter gamer. He told me that a Steiner rep varified this jersey as one that Jeter wore at some point in the 01' series.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

i realize you're trying to sell this jersey so i don't mean to grind your gears here. there are some incongruencies though.

i'll preface things by saying that there's little doubt that it's a jeter gamer. the issue is whether or not he wore it in the 2001 world series.

there were only 3 games, in total, played at yankee stadium for the '01 WS; Games 3, 4, and 5. that's it. therefore, in order for this to be an '01 jeter WS gamer, jeter must've worn it in one of those specific 3 games.

i've posted pics of jeter in each of these games and he's clearly not wearing your jersey in any of them.

"The gentleman I spoke with told me that there were a few players during the series that wore not just one set, but 2 or 3 sets in the World Series and that this was the case with this Jeter gamer."

while i'm curious how the steiner rep knew how many sets jeter wore in the WS, ultimately it doesn't really matter. jeter may have worn 50 sets in the '01 WS but so far none of them seem to resemble your jersey.

"He told me that a Steiner rep varified this jersey as one that Jeter wore at some point in the 01' series."

how did he verify it?

"Jeter could have wore it for a few innings in one or maybe a few World Series games and just never had a photo snaped with him in it?"

it's possible but it entirely depends on the idea that jeter changed jerseys during a WS game. by asserting this as an '01 WS gamer, this is exactly what you and steiner are saying. there are no other possible explanations given the mismatched photos from each of the 3 WS home games.

so the big question is whether jeter changed jerseys during an '01 WS game. steiner claims he did and for $12k i think a shred of evidence would be nice especially given the contradictory photo evidence. given steiner's stellar history of errors, i'd place little faith in their opinion. while they have secured some great contracts, they're as clueless and mismanaged as they are expensive.

you can either believe steiner or the photographic evidence. if you choose the former, then i'd like to know how steiner verified that jeter wore this jersey in the '01 WS.

rudy.

[Tay1038]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's


“I realize you're trying to sell this jersey so i don't mean to grind your gears here.”

No hostility here man. This is why this Forum was created so that everyone can have the opportunity share their opinions.

“i'll preface things by saying that there's little doubt that it's a jeter gamer. the issue is whether or not he wore it in the 2001 world series.”

Correct! It’s a genuine Jeter Game-Used Jersey. I’m very confident of its stature and history. Please refer to my comments below.

“There were only 3 games, in total, played at yankee stadium for the '01 WS; Games 3, 4, and 5. that's it. therefore, in order for this to be an '01 jeter WS gamer, jeter must've worn it in one of those specific 3 games. I've posted pics of jeter in each of these games and he's clearly not wearing your jersey in any of them.”

“While i'm curious how the steiner rep knew how many sets jeter wore in the WS, ultimately it doesn't really matter. jeter may have worn 50 sets in the '01 WS but so far none of them seem to resemble your jersey.”

To answer two comments in one; ultimately you posted 4 photos for 3 games. That’s a lot information to make such a big judgment wouldn’t you say? In all do respect sir; I’m not comfortable challenging Yankees-Steiner authentication on this jersey for a few photos that cover “so far” only a few innings in 3 games. Ultimately unless there are photos that cover every game, every hour, every minute, inning, out, at bat, and pitch… with a clear visibility that this shirt was not in any of them… I think I’m going take my chances with Yankees-Steiner’s word as everyone does with anything they purchase from them, or let’s say Grey Flannel, Mears, or even some of our most respected dealers on this forum. All in which are the most respected in this business.

There is a reason why Steiner Sports is one of the most, if not the most respected authenticator in the bizz when it comes to New York Yankees Memorabilia. If a Steiner rep tells me that a respected member of their crew verified this was an actual gamer Jeter wore during the series, I’m going to believe it and not challenge their authentication program.

More and more players are starting to get more involved with this memorabilia craze as everyone is starting to figure the trend out. With the significance of the series, year “(9/11)”, team, and player, the market value for these types of gamers is significant. So if this gamer was worn for inning, an out, strike, or ball…none to less its still a 2001 WS gamer that was worn my Derek Jeter.

“how did he verify it?”

Well, how do any of these companies like MLB and MeiGray verify their items? You know maybe send out specifically trained individuals to remove items that they personally witness as used in a game? I don’t know the recipe, but I’m just sayin…

“It's possible but it entirely depends on the idea that jeter changed jerseys during a WS game. by asserting this as an '01 WS gamer, this is exactly what you and steiner are saying. there are no other possible explanations given the mismatched photos from each of the 3 WS home games.”

This is more then likely the case with this Jeter gamer. A long used Regular Season gamer brought into the locker of Derek Jeter during the 2001 World Series, switched in during a game and used for a short period of time for resale purposes.

Again, please refer to paragraph four on the photos to answer the end of your statement.

”so the big question is whether jeter changed jerseys during an '01 WS game. steiner claims he did and for $12k i think a shred of evidence would be nice especially given the contradictory photo evidence. given steiner's stellar history of errors, i'd place little faith in their opinion. while they have secured some great contracts, they're as clueless and mismanaged as they are expensive.”

Well… A letter from Yankees-Steiner is pretty good start for me. I am very happy with how they operate. Customer Service is at the Top's! And their authentication program may be the best in the business. Unfortunately we do not have all the resources available to us to help make those accurate and educated shots against my gamer and on Steiner Sports and their personnel.

Although your opinions, (back up by little to no evidence), the amount of proof you are using to make the ULTIMATE and final decision to change Yankees-Steiner word and its integrity to its customers is pretty poor.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

due to the mismatching photos, the only chance your jersey has of being worn in the '01 WS is if jeter changed shirts during a game. i think we both agree that it's technically possible that jeter did indeed change shirts. (we probably disagree on the likelihood that it happened). we also agree that the mismatching photos aren't conclusive. (although, they certainly don't help the jersey).

i think our biggest disagreement is over how steiner verified that this jersey was used during the '01 WS. you consider photos from each of the 3 games to constitute "little to no evidence". while i agree it's not conclusive, it's certainly more than a little evidence and far from being simply my "opinion". at any rate, you apply a great deal of rigor in judging my arguments and evidence, which is good. yet when it comes to judging Steiner's evidence (or complete lack thereof), you apply absolutely no rigor whatsoever. they tell you they verified it was used during the WS and you don't even care how they verified it. you feel the mismatching photos constitute poor evidence yet Steiner hands you literally no evidence at all and that's good enough. you have complete, unwavering faith in the word of some customer service lackey. i'm unsure if this is because you already have several thousand sunk into the shirt and are looking for a quick flip on it.

let's look at steiner's word because it seems to be sole basis behind why you believe this shirt was used in the WS.

"Well, how do any of these companies like MLB and MeiGray verify their items? You know maybe send out specifically trained individuals to remove items that they personally witness as used in a game? I don’t know the recipe.."

all companies are not created equal. forget about the MLB because they don't verify their items. by all accounts, they've done an appalling job. their database is out to lunch and they knowingly sell game-used items as game-issued because they've admitted they lack the ability to actually verify game-use. how does MeiGray do it though? same like Steiner right? not even close. saying that MeiGray verified something and Steiner verified something are two entirely different things. first off, your Jeter jersey has no unique ID. every MeiGray jersey has a unique ID that is registered into a database as either "game worn" or "game issued". secondly, MeiGray sews their ids into the jersey. Steiner used flimsy, generic holograms that easily came off. You could purchase a Russ Johnson jersey from them, take off the hologram, slap it onto a Roger Clemens and call it a day. Of course, there'd be no way of checking anything at all because Steiner didn't use unique IDs. awhile ago, barry meisel posted a short message about receiving some NJ Devils jerseys:

"The New Jersey Devils commemmorated the opening of Prudential Center in Newark last night by wearing three special sets of home red jerseys with a special Opening Night patch during their 4-1 loss to the Ottawa Senators. I was in the Devils' locker room last night authenticating these sets of jerseys, which of course have been registered by their counterfeit-proof, individually serial numbered security tags...As per MeiGray Authentication Program regulations, every jersey was security-tagged with an individual serial number before the game and authenticated (by me personally) immediately after its use."

Meigray's recipe is vastly superior to Steiners'. i'm curious why you don't ask Steiner to explain to you how they verified this $12k jersey? isn't it important?

as for Steiner sending out "specifically trained individuals to remove items that they personally witness as used in a game", are these the same "specifically trained individuals" who can't distinguish between a store-model bat and a pro-model bat?:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=8533

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12400

maybe they need some some more training. perhaps it's the same "respected members of their crew" who concocted the bizarre concept of a "game-issued replica" jersey:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=6346

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=5922

i also enjoyed when they sold a "David Wells game-used World Series jersey". apparently, noone in their respected crew realized that David Wells never played for the Yankees in 2000. maybe they need some more training. i recommend "How to Check Rosters 101":

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=803

what started as a $10k David Wells jersey became a $2500 Jose Canseco jersey. good thing i "challenged their authentication program". in your case, i suppose you would've been the proud owner of a bizarre "2000 david wells yankees gamer" at a cost of $10k. why bother with silly rosters and inconclusive photos when you've got the indisputable word of Steiner right? Steiner's made a litany of braindead errors so i'm unsure why you've placed your complete, unquestioned faith in them.

to answer your question, Steiner doesn't send individuals out to collect items after they've personally witnessed their use. if you thought that's how Steiner operated, you're in for a rude awakening.

"If a Steiner rep tells me that a respected member of their crew verified this was an actual gamer Jeter wore during the series, I’m going to believe it and not challenge their authentication program."

with that mindset, I have some nice knoblauch and giambi "gamers" with the 125 underlined to sell you. no need for any questions. they come with ironclad Steiner paperwork!

anyway, i think we've both made our points. ultimately, if someone is in the market for a 2001 jeter WS gamer, they can either buy a jersey that matches the photos or a jersey that doesn't. in the future, you may want to start asking some questions of Steiner before you end up with a "game-issued replica" jersey or store-model "game-used bat".

rudy.

[reed1216]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

I have really enjoyed reading this thread. It brings up some critical issues in determining game wear and specifically when an artical of memorabilia was worn.

As a collector of Yankees items, I have limited my purchases to things that have originated from Steiner. I have also bought from them directly and they are a first class operation. Of the items that I have purchased, several are conclusively photomatched. One was photomatched by the seller (a 2006 Randy Johnson I bought from Rob Steinmetz), prior to me purchasing it. Another (a 2006 Mike Mussina) was matched by a forum member, after I posted a pic of the jersey here. The other (a 2004 Gary Sheffield helmet), I matched after receiving. Again, I can't say enough good things about Steiner. They have excellent customer service and my experiences have shown me that their authentication process is very, very good. I wish they stitched authentication tags to the jerseys (like MeiGray does), but that's a relatively petty complaint. Authentication is the bottom line and I have yet to be burned by Steiner.

With all that said, I agree 100% with Rudy. There have been a few documented errors that Steiner has made. They are infrequent, but they have been documented here, on the forum. I believe they have been honest mistakes, but mistakes nonetheless.

In the case of the Jeter jersey, it appears to me that the jersey was worn during the regular season (as the photo evidence suggests) and it was tagged with a World Series patch to be used as a back up. The photo evidence strongly suggests that he wore a different jersey in the home games. While it is plausible that he exchanged jerseys during a given game, that seems unlikely until there is photo evidence to the contrary. In the end, the community determines whether or not a piece of memorabilia is authentic and the best gauge of authenticity is a photomatch. Regardless of whether it was worn in the Series or patched to be a back up, it is an amazing jersey and would be a worthy addition to any Yankees collection.

[mwbosoxfan]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

I have really enjoyed reading this thread.

Likewise, I have, too, enjoyed reading this thread. I just want to applaud Taylor and Rudy for their very well thought out and well stated opinions on the subject matter. While they both have different positions, the debate was presented in an educated and mature manner, without bomb tossing and unnecessary insults. Something that gives both sides some credibility. This forum could use more contributions handled in this fashion. Thanks to both.

[Tay1038]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

Thank you to everyone who had commented on this thread. Although Rudy and I have our differences, I still appreciate Rudy's knowledge and his thoughts. I praise him for his professionalism, passion for memorabilia collecting, and his attention to detail. Kudos to you sir!

Although this shirt does raise some questions if it was ever used in the World Series game or not, it has been photo matched to the regular season and is a beautiful example of a Game-Worn Jersey by Derek Jeter none to less.

To nail it in the coffin, I will market this jersey as 2001 Derek Jeter Game-Used Home Yankees Jersey, with possible use in the 01' World Series.

I will drop the price to $9,000.00 firm. I am taking substantial loss on this gamer at that price. A 2005 gamer recently sold for $9,583.20 a month ago. With the possible stated nature of this gamer as described in the LOA by Yankee-Steiner, this is a gold mine for anyone who can sit on it as any Jeter gamer is.

After just purchasing this gamer, I found a gamer that I have desired for my collection that have waited my whole life in collecting to surface. It just seems that I have more attachment on that then this Jeter and spent way too much this month!! My loss is your gain.

[clinton2828]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

The most telling part that dose not match up is the "N" of the "NY" On The Chest With The Pin Strpies From The Pic Of The Jersey To The Game Photos. The Placement Of The "ny" In Line With The Stripes..

Anyone See What I Mean?


if you got the jersey from steiner i would give them a call and express your concerns with the shirt. a partal refund in my opion should be in line. there is no excuse to make a mistake on that type of jersey!

[kingjammy24]

Re: Derek Jeter Game-Used ITEMS For Sale!! (Yankees-Steiner) LOA's

"I will market this jersey as 2001 Derek Jeter Game-Used Home Yankees Jersey, with possible use in the 01' World Series."

good on you. without some hard evidence, that's probably how steiner should've sold it as well. if they've got the evidence though, they ought to share it.

personally, i think it's a really nice jeter gamer that shows great wear. whether it was or wasn't worn in the WS is unknown at this point. my point was simply that if someone, whether it's steiner or jeter himself, is unequivocally stating that it was used in the WS, then i'd like to know what their evidence is. i certainly can't state that it unequivocally was not used in the WS (as you pointed out) so what allows them to state that it was?

while i understand this hobby is fundamentally premised on faith and educated guesses, i think you've always got to ask questions of anyone regardless of who they are. noone's perfect and everyone will make errors. steiner made a bold claim in saying they verified its use in the WS and i was curious how they could make that specific claim. we've all seen everyone from highly regarded dealers to players themselves make errors.
awhile ago, AMI had a dodgy Arod glove. "American Memorabilia president Victor Moreno said he did not know when Rodriguez used the glove, or how long he used it. "I'm not going to question A-Rod," he says." the very fact that moreno didn't have the cojones to question arod is the reason he ended up with the dodgy glove.

anyway, good luck on the sale!

rudy.