McGwire 88 World Series Bat

[RobSteinmetz]

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Everyone has had a chance to speak their minds. This back-and-forth could go on forever. Please email one another to resolve your issues off the forum.

This thread is locked.

Thanks,

Rob

[skyking26]

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I read this morning some personal emails from Chris, and I have answered them. I think he still feels I sold the bat for a higher amount, even though the bat sits in my basement in a box that was designated for shipment before I decided to keep it. Everything else has been explained previously, and as the owner of the bat I decided to keep it. If in the future I decide to sell it I will go thru ebay. At this point reading Chris' emails of this morning I don't see the matter clearing up as he still feels I no longer have it. Whatever.

Like I said last night, Chris and I did a deal a year ago for a jersey and we did installments. Everything went great. I am doing a jersey deal with another forum member RIGHT NOW and I am letting him pay over time as well - unlimited time. I have been here 3 years and I feel established great relationships. There has been no money missing, etc.

As for an earlier post by Mike, it may surprise you to learn I am happy you are in a position to place guys in front row seats and live well. I am happy for anyone who flourishes in the economy. I myself am laid off as a carpenter and am doing my second job working with special needs kids doing testing. Does not pay well, but I enjoy it and it keeps me busy. You may think of me as broke, but that is all in one's perspective. I am alive and healthy, my family is well, and despite reading this thread I have great friendships. You can sit there and sling mud all day at me, but don't do it to thers - it isn't called for. That is about the only reason for this post. Beyond this, I see nothing different than from the beginning - with exception to alot of pissed off people. Chris, you email anytime, or call me and I'd be happy to talk about collecting or the weather - your choice. I consider the matter closed.

[b.heagy]

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I can't speak for the mods. All I can say is that they brought back the for sale section for all those that insisted and complained that it be brought back. They did not want to bring it back until they were ready with their new program. This situation is exactly one of the reasons they wanted to wait in my opinion.

[zonker]

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man it's all about poor ol bob. what about poor o'l zonker. he lost a friend a canseco world series gamer! excuse me 2 world series bat's a canseco and the mac! and ended up with (&$%#@) !!! would have never sold the canseco for what i paid for it if 350.00 if i hadn't had total trust in the deal going through! i also am a little upset that rob or chris hasn't chimed in as all i wanted from the get go with bringing this out is that i felt a rule or some kind change of policy for useing the for sale section needed to be addressed or put in place. so this wouldn't happen again, cause belive me if they don't it will. if bob was going to auction it he should have sent it in and sold it through g.u.u. spring auction. but if you set a price on this board and the seller and buyer agree on it . then they should be held responsible to carry out the transaction or be banned from useing the for sale section. just like the poor sucker's that didn't pay during the last auction. aren't they banned from ever partisipating in another g.u.u. auction? and if so why the double standard guy's? let me guess cause your money wasn't involved?

[cjmedina1]

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Time for bed.Goodnight all

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[cjmedina1]

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Carlie,
Bob wanted to paid sooner so he went to the next buyer. That was me.
I offered him $625 ,no I'm sorry, he said $625 and it is yours in writing. Not verbally, I have the e-mail. He then did not honor the deal. I would have paid the $1150 except I saw him offer it to Chris for $625 and then to me right after because of his integrity. I sent him the money. He then went back on the deal. I'm confused. Why should he keep his head up???

Why should he keep his head up? At 4:25 post today he post that he's sorry for any wrong doing.This is why.I'm Also confused but when someone says their sorry for any wrong doing how can we not just move on.
Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Carlie,
Bob wanted to paid sooner so he went to the next buyer. That was me.
I offered him $625 ,no I'm sorry, he said $625 and it is yours in writing. Not verbally, I have the e-mail. He then did not honor the deal. I would have paid the $1150 except I saw him offer it to Chris for $625 and then to me right after because of his integrity. I sent him the money. He then went back on the deal. I'm confused. Why should he keep his head up???

[cjmedina1]

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1) You offer something for sale at a set price
2) A buyer responds and agrees to your price
3) the buyer and seller agree to how payment will be made and when
4) Payment is made and the bat is sent, transaction completed.

That is how it should go. If someone else emails an offer on the basis of "it that first deal falls through", so be it. If the first deal falls through, you go to the second offer.

I'm sure that every argument has 2 sides but this deal seems to stink more than a hot summer night in the Fulton Fish market. If the original buyer can provide funds in an acceptable time line, sell it to him at the agreed upon price. To do less is dishonorable.

Jim

Jim your right.Once the buyer and seller agrees on a price then the seller wants to be paid in a certain time line.Now if Bob wanted to be paid in the next day and the buyer can not who wouldn't go to the next buyer?The next buyer set the price not Bob.Again I see nothing wrong with that.Bob keep your head up and dont let this bring you down.

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Robert, The more you talk the dumber you sound. You have never seen a person pay more for something they like??? There you go running your loose lips again. Vintage deputy pretty much summed up the whole story and you have to keep running your mouth. I have clients that I have sent to baseball games in the front row VIP sections and to football games on the sidelines with the press because of things they have done. You Dont think that that is paying more for something I have already recieved? Thats right, your broke. You have never experienced paying someone more for something that is beyond a great deal or favor. Ask Scott Welkowski if I did not give him front row tickets to the Padres game for deals already consumated. Heck I may send him again just thinking about it. Thats right, your broke. You don't get it. Why don't you just shut up about the bat and keep it. I'm sorry all you good forum people have to read this. The For Sale bat section is probably in jepardy over this and all this guy can do is run his mouth. And for his friends (Thome-batman) Quit sticking up for this guy and encouraging him. Let him go back in the closet where he belongs. He should apologize to the forum, shut his mouth, and move on. Why do you think Zonker-Chris has nothing to say to you. Figure it out.

[skyking26]

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My 2 cents for what they're worth...
A while back, I responded to a for sale ad here where the seller was offering a jersey I would be happy to add to my own collection, so I sent him an email. He wrote back telling me that he has already sold it and received payment for the item, BUT he would be happy to refund that payment if I would agree to pay him $100 more and paypal it to him immediately. After I told him to get lost, he sent me a "persuasive" email asking me to send him the money... and I received another, and another, until I finally stopped "politely declining."
This deal smells a lot like the one I refused to get involved in, but there were a few mistakes made here by multiple parties, not just Bob.
1. The price was set too low. I even wrote Bob an email asking for photos. I personally couldn't believe the price was only $500. I ultimately never wound up getting involved any further because once I checked my email the next morning, I saw the photos as well as another email informing me that it was already sold. My reply was a bit cliche... I laughed it off with the old adage "you snooze, you lose" -- well, maybe not.
2. As soon as someone stated "I'll take it", that should have ended it. I have made the mistake of selling an item too low here & there. You do kick yourself afterwards and move on. Bottom line is a verbal contract is a verbal contract.
3. Others who emailed and offered more are also at fault here. If my pockets were lined deeply, does that give me more of a right to trump the guy who has already struck a deal?
4. I am a father of 5. God knows I can use an extra $500 or $600... but this is not the way I want it to be handed to me... I would have to be willing to break a binding contract with someone else who I deep down would know would be (1) upset and (2) may tarnish my reputation. I probably would not feel very good about myself to do this.
So, I basically don't think this is one man's fault entirely. It's an unfortunate situation in which many mistakes were made and hopefully will be learned from.

Nick

Well said. I have no issues with any of this. Best piece I have read all day.

[skyking26]

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Nasty E-mails and voicemails. There you are running your mouth again skyking. E-mail them to some of the members for me so the truth be told. Let them confirm this truth or lie. You lie and you have Thome watching your back. I kissed your ass to the end. Why would I be hateful. I was trying to make the deal work. As you said " If the deal falls through I will have egg on my face".
Well Robert, Thats not egg that we flush down the toilet.

Funny, telling me you'd send more money after you rec'd the bat "if you like it" makes no sense to me? Why would someone say that? Who does that? When I buy something, even if I know the person, I pay first. Has been that way for 30 years of collecting. If I am such a bad person, go to skyking26 and check the rating on ebay. 10 years, 1 negative on a never sent 8x10 to me...

[TNTtoys]

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My 2 cents for what they're worth...
A while back, I responded to a for sale ad here where the seller was offering a jersey I would be happy to add to my own collection, so I sent him an email. He wrote back telling me that he has already sold it and received payment for the item, BUT he would be happy to refund that payment if I would agree to pay him $100 more and paypal it to him immediately. After I told him to get lost, he sent me a "persuasive" email asking me to send him the money... and I received another, and another, until I finally stopped "politely declining."
This deal smells a lot like the one I refused to get involved in, but there were a few mistakes made here by multiple parties, not just Bob.
1. The price was set too low. I even wrote Bob an email asking for photos. I personally couldn't believe the price was only $500. I ultimately never wound up getting involved any further because once I checked my email the next morning, I saw the photos as well as another email informing me that it was already sold. My reply was a bit cliche... I laughed it off with the old adage "you snooze, you lose" -- well, maybe not.
2. As soon as someone stated "I'll take it", that should have ended it. I have made the mistake of selling an item too low here & there. You do kick yourself afterwards and move on. Bottom line is a verbal contract is a verbal contract.
3. Others who emailed and offered more are also at fault here. If my pockets were lined deeply, does that give me more of a right to trump the guy who has already struck a deal?
4. I am a father of 5. God knows I can use an extra $500 or $600... but this is not the way I want it to be handed to me... I would have to be willing to break a binding contract with someone else who I deep down would know would be (1) upset and (2) may tarnish my reputation. I probably would not feel very good about myself to do this.
So, I basically don't think this is one man's fault entirely. It's an unfortunate situation in which many mistakes were made and hopefully will be learned from.

Nick

[Vintagedeputy]

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1) You offer something for sale at a set price
2) A buyer responds and agrees to your price
3) the buyer and seller agree to how payment will be made and when
4) Payment is made and the bat is sent, transaction completed.

That is how it should go. If someone else emails an offer on the basis of "it that first deal falls through", so be it. If the first deal falls through, you go to the second offer.

I'm sure that every argument has 2 sides but this deal seems to stink more than a hot summer night in the Fulton Fish market. If the original buyer can provide funds in an acceptable time line, sell it to him at the agreed upon price. To do less is dishonorable.

Jim

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Nasty E-mails and voicemails. There you are running your mouth again skyking. E-mail them to some of the members for me so the truth be told. Let them confirm this truth or lie. You lie and you have Thome watching your back. Why would I be hateful. I was trying to make the deal work. As you said " If the deal falls through I will have egg on my face".
Well Robert, Thats not egg that we flush down the toilet.

[skyking26]

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Thanks Carl. You may mention all the jersey deals we have concluded since Oct and bat deals thru the years. Have you EVER had an issue? You may mention assistance on some personal fronts of late. I have always been there as a friend to anyone. Chris fails to mention that I just days ago put Carlie and he together for what I had hoped would be some deals they could make. I just assisted a friend in Chicago with a thing recently, not asking for much, it was fun.

While there is truth in many statements that Mike mentions, there is a slant to it - 2 sides to any story. He fails to mention he has been refunded. No fees, nobody is out anything. We are all human, I at 44 years of age I have made many a mistake and will make many more. There is no need for me to expound on that. He fails to mention the nasty emails or voicemails. We all get sour grapes about a deal we hoped would happen. Anyway, at the end of the day I said I was sorry about any wrongdoings a thousand times, and like always people like to dwell on the negatives, not the positives. All the things I think I have done for people big or small, how often do I see that in print here? Not looking for anything but stating the facts. While this forum has garnered me many friends over the years, this is truely a job. I am surprised most by Chris not initially calling or emailing misgivings rather than this eruption - because it would have never ended this way. I thought after all I should speak.